RE: John Oliver...Spotlight on Johnson and Stein
October 18, 2016 at 8:38 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2016 at 8:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 18, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Aroura Wrote: Scenario:Has it occurred to you that you might be describing -this- year. We're within single digits of the majority of americans in this country not voting already. I wasn;t exagerating earlier when I mentioned the 51% of 57%. I think we're well past kings, one bad presidency won't bring us to a monarchy or we'd already have one.
Enough people become disinfranchised, there comes a year when ther is a STOP voting movement. Most people don't vote. We have the worst candidates ever. An insane meglomaniac is elected, congress and the house are a mess, as people fight over who, if anyone, won and who is in control, and the next thing we know we have a Kings instead of a president, because we all stopped voting and didn't DO anything about it.
Quote:Not voting is such an inaction, it could allow for much, much worse to happen. If you think we need to burn it all to the ground so we can rebuild it better next time, great, fantastic, have fun with that. Because not voting is just a LAZY (and pretty ineffective way) of doing that without really doing anything. IMO, anyway. Of course, voting is also just a way of allowing the same shit, bitching about it, and not really doing anything.Who said anything about burning it all down? See, you'v been coopted by fearmongering. I;m talking about insisting on building it up. It's the players we have on-stage that have been busily burning it down. They're been very, very productive on that count, don't you think?
Quote:See, the functional working parts of our government are tied to these messy ones. I vote, and will continue to do so because it matters to my community if that school bond measure asses or not, it matters who my Governor, mayor and city council persons are. It's hard to talk people out of voting for the one screwy thing while asking them to keep voting for the rest. And if we stopped voting on everything, it would be an utter disaster for the common person.I don't mind a mess. What we have right now is a dumpster fire. WQhat is this, anyway, the all or nothing gambit? I'll pass. Vote on things that matter to you, vote for candidates that you prefer. I encourage you to do so. I'd just -love- it if I was given that opportunity. Until such a time, I'll be a non-participator. It works, we've done it before. I wonder if you'd have levied the same comments towards a draft protester or jim crow dissenter for their refusals as you have towards mine? All I do is tell people it's okay to say no. It;s something we need to hear from time to time, clearly.
@Min, the full power of a government elected by ten percent isn't exactly that impressive to me (look at the state of our own elected by 25%ish). If our state and federal overlords were willing to drive the whole thing over a cliff rather than make changes...how would voting stop them from doing that anyway?
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