Is there objective Truth?

[Soldat Du Christ]

You'd probably see where is was going with this if you read everything. But 20+ pages fair enough. Pretty much i'd follow with asking how you can justify the use of objectivity. But from a naturalist world view would always end up being circular reasoning, requiring a trancendant cause.

Bollocks. The use of objectivity is neither justified or established by a transcendant cause, i.e. God, anymore than it is by naturalistic explanation. This seems to depend on an extreme form of the PSR, implying that everything must have an explanation. It's trivial to define God as a lawgiver. Such definitions come cheap. It does not follow from an inability of a naturalist to justify their use of the objective that objectivity requires a transcendant cause. That's an argument from ignorance. Let's call a spade a spade. You're arguing that the existence of objective facts requires God. That's the most ludicrous assertion I've heard lately and is not supported by an argument from ignorance.

So digging through all the unnececary filler, your response is we don't need a explanation for everything is that correct?

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You'd probably see where is was going with this if you read everything. But 20+ pages fair enough. Pretty much i'd follow with asking how you can justify the use of objectivity. But from a naturalist world view would always end up being circular reasoning, requiring a trancendant cause.

I can answer that.  Objectivity need not be a world view.  It is simply a label which combines two things: 1) the belief that others exist; 2) the belief that there are things which are sharable among you and those others.

Objectivity isn't a world view, it is somthing we observe. Laws of logic, morality, uniformity in nature. If you don't subscribe to this than we have nothing more to discuss.

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After doing some thinking, your conclusion is both valid and accurate; you were right, and I was wrong.  Making a grandiose statement and generalization concerning their faith was very shortsighted of me; projecting my idealism onto another worldview will not help me understand it.  As always, thank you for your candor and directness, sir. 

You are exceedingly epic, Kernel.

I'm very fond of turning the other cheek and I like how Christianity in theory values forgiveness.

However unfortunately in practice Christians are often self-righteous, preachy, sanctimonious, preachy and vengeful rather than forgiving and tolerant.

But there are good Christians, too, of course... it's just not because of their Christianity.

Moral philosophy predates Christianity and even the Golden Rule was expressed by Confucius before it was expressed by Jesus. And certainly many times by many others before that, even if it weren't recorded.

Of course it predates everything, it is etched in all our hearts.