RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
October 28, 2016 at 3:53 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2016 at 4:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Careful, there's a subtle but important distinction between the things that are visible to us and what the "observable universe" is, in the meaningful context of the question.
If the "more" is fundamentally unobservable, and that's where we place a god, then said god is fundamentally irrelevant to us. Undetectable, directly or indirectly, non-interacting. Unvidenced, never heard or seen from - such a belief falsifies all god belief as delusional fantasy. None of the stories could refer to it, no logic could point to it. Divine miracles are out the window, as are all experiences of the divine.
If, otoh, we propose that there is "unobservable x" but that god does -not- belong to that category (say you believe that god has been or can be observed directly or indirectly)...then all of a sudden there's a whole world out there even more hidden than the divine, and importantly..hidden -from- the divine just as it is hidden from us.
Or, I guess, you could go with the droll and unrigorous interpretation of such acceptance of the marginally "invisible". That you totally believe in shit we have no evidence for.
No win scenario.
If the "more" is fundamentally unobservable, and that's where we place a god, then said god is fundamentally irrelevant to us. Undetectable, directly or indirectly, non-interacting. Unvidenced, never heard or seen from - such a belief falsifies all god belief as delusional fantasy. None of the stories could refer to it, no logic could point to it. Divine miracles are out the window, as are all experiences of the divine.
If, otoh, we propose that there is "unobservable x" but that god does -not- belong to that category (say you believe that god has been or can be observed directly or indirectly)...then all of a sudden there's a whole world out there even more hidden than the divine, and importantly..hidden -from- the divine just as it is hidden from us.
Or, I guess, you could go with the droll and unrigorous interpretation of such acceptance of the marginally "invisible". That you totally believe in shit we have no evidence for.
No win scenario.
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