RE: Is It Possible for Humanity to Create a Peaceful World with Religion in it?
November 2, 2016 at 11:40 am
(This post was last modified: November 2, 2016 at 11:46 am by Kernel Sohcahtoa.)
Thanks for your candid and direct response, Rhythm.
I'm sorry sir, but I disagree with the part in bold. I think my post and yours have just illustrated an important point relating to the challenge of communicating effectively and clearly with others; we often try to make sense of others via our own truths and thinking patterns. However, it is very likely that others may have a different way of seeing things, which is irregular for us but is completely normal for them.
Avoidance and being artificially kumbayah are poor ways to manage difference; IMO, people only grow resentful and will eventually renew their conflict in the future.
I'm not interested in fantasy. Can we create a realistic way for people to peacefully manage their differences? If this is ultimately going to be attributed to fantasy or wishful thinking, then is this the result of it being an objective fact, or is it a result of personal opinions, sir?
IMO, I do not think that you and I are on the same page here; I do not think that we are discussing the same things. Hence, I can only imagine how much of a challenge this would be on a worldly scale. Do you have any suggestions, sir?
Again, thanks for your candid and direct response, Rhythm. I look forward to reading your response, sir. Live long and prosper.
Rhythm Wrote:Can society create a world that acknowledges that one of those differences is violence and aggressiveness? Or is that the one verboten thing that must be eradicated...reverse adolf style, lol?
Or, to put it another way...when did we become such pansies? We never seem comfortable acknowledging the value of otherwsie negatively perceived traits, as in the relentless and aggressive assualt on some unfinished job - plenty of homeless and hungry in the world that could use houses and kibble, or the merciless slaughter of pests and disease vectors. It's all kumbayah and avoidance nowadays...even avoiding bad sounding words, like violence, aggression, assertiveness. I;m sure they can be, and would be, scrubbed for the examples above. Doing those things..that's not [insert negatively valued attribute here].
OFC, I'd mention decisive miltary action against despots the world over as yet another way to increase the peace, but for many...that would be too far into negative territory despite it's effectiveness. These dreams of world peace, as it were...in addition to having their origins in fantasy always seem to be comprised of further fantasy even when they're divorced from that tree. We'd prefer to imagine than to effect, if the action seems counter-intuitive to the ideal.
All of this being a long winded way of slightly rephrasing the question you asked. -Is- the existence of the sort of conflict we may have in mind negative? Unless we can get a list togther, or a line..wherein one side is negative and the other isn't...and unambiguosly so, both the questions and the answers will be...effectively, meaningless....we can't even be sure we're all discussing the same things.
I'm sorry sir, but I disagree with the part in bold. I think my post and yours have just illustrated an important point relating to the challenge of communicating effectively and clearly with others; we often try to make sense of others via our own truths and thinking patterns. However, it is very likely that others may have a different way of seeing things, which is irregular for us but is completely normal for them.
Rhythm Wrote:It's all kumbayah and avoidance nowadays...even avoiding bad sounding words, like violence, aggression, assertiveness. I;m sure they can be, and would be, scrubbed for the examples above. Doing those things..that's not [insert negatively valued attribute here].
Avoidance and being artificially kumbayah are poor ways to manage difference; IMO, people only grow resentful and will eventually renew their conflict in the future.
Rhythm Wrote:These dreams of world peace, as it were...in addition to having their origins in fantasy always seem to be comprised of further fantasy even when they're divorced from that tree. We'd prefer to imagine than to effect, if the action seems counter-intuitive to the ideal.
I'm not interested in fantasy. Can we create a realistic way for people to peacefully manage their differences? If this is ultimately going to be attributed to fantasy or wishful thinking, then is this the result of it being an objective fact, or is it a result of personal opinions, sir?
Rhythm Wrote:Unless we can get a list togther, or a line..wherein one side is negative and the other isn't...and unambiguosly so, both the questions and the answers will be...effectively, meaningless....we can't even be sure we're all discussing the same things.
IMO, I do not think that you and I are on the same page here; I do not think that we are discussing the same things. Hence, I can only imagine how much of a challenge this would be on a worldly scale. Do you have any suggestions, sir?
Again, thanks for your candid and direct response, Rhythm. I look forward to reading your response, sir. Live long and prosper.