Possible is not necessarily possible.

[Mystic]

I think what is possible isn't necessarily possible.

This is because we can say "This may or may not be possible" and from a sense of the word it would be a possibility, even though from another sense, this possibility maybe impossible.

As for ontological possibilities, it's actually the same thing. For all we know perspective, an ontologically possibility maybe possible or may not be possible.

Also, it maybe things like magic or souls, are ontologically impossible without God, and it maybe ontologically from all we know perspective, that things outside of space and physical world, cannot exist.

Therefore ontological possibilities are not necessarily possible.

Therefore, the first premise that leads to the counter intuitive premise from modal logic that "What's possibly necessarily, is necessarily" to me seems false.

Thus the conclusion which is counter intuitive is not proven to me.

[KichigaiNeko]

I am thinking that you have met the probable and possible?

Anything is possible, the probability of said anything happening is limited and the fact that you can "do a thing" doesn't necessarily equate with you actually "should do a thing"

Is this your dilemma?

[Mystic]

Is this your dilemma?

No. I just don't think the premise that leads to "what is possibly necessarily, then is necessarily" is true.

I don't think what is possible is necessarily possible, because the word possibility is sometimes used to denote things that are impossible.

For example, in math, you show a possible hypothesis, then go to show it's impossible by proof of contradiction.

[KichigaiNeko]

Is this your dilemma?

No. I just don't think the premise that leads to "what is possibly necessarily, then is necessarily" is true.

But then it would require a set of circumstances to make it true?

I don't think what is possible is necessarily possible, because the word possibility is sometimes used to denote things that are impossible.

So is the word belief and faith. You seem to be getting caught up in semantics...the worshipping of words. Is this your new god?

For example, in math, you show a possible hypothesis, then go to show it's impossible by proof of contradiction.

Why should this bother you? It is to my understanding (I am no mathematician) how we come to understand what is probable, possible and pragmatically feasible to do

[Walking Void]

When something is "probable" it has a success rate greater than 50%, yes? My memory from high school is hazy. Not most probable, just probable.

[Doubting Thomas]

What if C-A-T really spelt "dog?"

[Whateverist]

I just don't think the premise that leads to "what is possibly necessarily, then is necessarily" is true.

I don't think what is possible is necessarily possible, because the word possibility is sometimes used to denote things that are impossible.

For example, in math, you show a possible hypothesis, then go to show it's impossible by proof of contradiction.

Sounds like you've been thinking about necessary beings? I'm never impressed with arguments for god because of the logical extension of certain ideas or words.

[Edwardo Piet]

Anything logically possible is anything that cannot be proven to contradict itself or otherwise be proven impossible through proof by contradiction.

In other words, if you can't prove it to be impossible, then it's logically possible, and that's that. It necessarily is, according to the definition of logical possibility.

As for what is necessarily true, that's anything logically or mathematically proven or anything tautologically true, etc.

As for probability, that's more down to science and statistics and odds and mathmetical theory.

[genkaus]

I think what is possible isn't necessarily possible.

This is because we can say "This may or may not be possible" and from a sense of the word it would be a possibility, even though from another sense, this possibility maybe impossible.

As for ontological possibilities, it's actually the same thing. For all we know perspective, an ontologically possibility maybe possible or may not be possible.

Also, it maybe things like magic or souls, are ontologically impossible without God, and it maybe ontologically from all we know perspective, that things outside of space and physical world, cannot exist.

Therefore ontological possibilities are not necessarily possible.

Therefore, the first premise that leads to the counter intuitive premise from modal logic that "What's possibly necessarily, is necessarily" to me seems false.

Thus the conclusion which is counter intuitive is not proven to me.

What do you mean by "necessarily possible"?

When talking about possibility, we make a statement such as "Given premise A, B is possible".

So, does necessarily possible mean something like "If, given any imaginable premise A, B is possible, then B is necessarily possible"?

Or do you mean "Only if given A, B is possible, then A is necessarily possible"?

[freedomfromforum]

It's possible that I don't have a clue what you are talking about;
and it may be impossible for me to ever understand the probability of being able to do so.