RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
November 4, 2016 at 8:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2016 at 8:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 4, 2016 at 8:11 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Refer to Fred and Bob again.I'll refer to it as often as you like, specifically the fact that fred is not bob, regardless of whether or not they're both human. Similarly, logic is not goblygoop, even if they're both a set of rules by which a hypothetical (or actual) universe can be said to operate...regardless of whether or not a god had anything to do with either.
Quote:The trouble you have is that you're universalist (kind of like sexist or what have you, but to do with universes).The trouble, Fall, is that you can't rationally argue against my actual position, so you have to invent them for me, and feel empowered to do so. We're not going to get anywhere this way because we aren't playing by the same rules. Though I don;t even know why you;d go through the trouble of trying, since you could always appeal to goblygoop instead of doing the work required to competently argue your position by logical means.
You say that if things were different, then they would be different. Perfect! That's as much as we can agree on. But then you add your universe's superiority by implicitly calling it the True Logic ™. Goblygoopians can play that game too, and would they be wrong in doing so?
Quote:I'll stop you there, because this is an explicit show of your inability to understand what I'm saying. I didn't once say they were the same person. I said they were both *human*, just like our logic here and goblygoop are both axioms.
Should I quote you as saying that goblygoop is logic or even that 2+2=5 is logical in some alternate universe? I shouldn't have to. Or the later dumpster dodge that they're "the same class of thing" as though this were relevant, informative, or even a matter of disagreement between us? I shouldn't have to. You should respect your own thought droppings enough, at least, to remember them...and not require others to spoonfeed them back to you everytime you hit a snag in your goblygooping. If you don't, it's difficult to imagine who will.....certainly won't be me. I'll call massive bullshit and laugh in your face.
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