On Logic and Alternate Universes

[The Grand Nudger]

Your entire argument is uninteresting, because it's a triviality of the english language. Look I can play your game too:

Bicycles are bicycly
oranges are orangy
toast is toasty

They mean absolutely nothing. 

As does the statement "goblygoop is logical".   You have explicitly imagined a system that is -different-...and then described it with the term used for the very system you distanced it from.  Let it be different, then it might be meaningful...maybe even interesting. As long as goblygoop is logical..it's just fucking logic fallen, it's not different, it's the same - and 2+2=4, not 5. It's no fault of mine that you hinged this whole thing on an equivocation..which is just another way of saying that you hinged it upon a triviality of language.

The discussion at hand just so happens to have a noun which is also an adjective. Your use of it, however, is completely uninteresting. And you've shown that already with other examples such as 'bobly' and 'fredly'. Completely void of any meaning, because yes, we already *know* bob = bob, and to be bobly is to be bob. Here's the kicker - 'logical' *is not* the same uselessness as the others. Look it up in the dictionary. Oh wait, I've done that for you and you've ignored it ever since coming to this thread. 'Logical' isn't reserved for a description of our logic. That's the entirety of your game that you're playing, and it's pointless. Our logic happens to be logical because it's a set of axioms. End of. Any other such set will also be logical because any other such set will count as being the thing which we, here on this universe, with the english language, call 'logic'. Anything outside of this - uninteresting uses of words and letters to convey absolutely nothing.

Uninteresting shit is uninteresting.  You could have just moved on, we've agreed that if things were different they would be different.  I'm even willing to entertain the notion that an alternate universe may have alternate rules.  But no, no, you had to make another thread and peddle the same shit over an uninteresting bit of idiocy, cheifly becaus you neither understand nor care for identity, or a host of other logical rules which help us to -have- informative..interesting, rational discussions.

-If- there were another universe, with another set of rules, that would be interesting. What would those rules look like? What would their relationship to each other and to whatever passes for truth in that universe be? How might it be, in that universe, that 2 and 2 yielded 5? Maybe...in that universe, when you combined 2 of something with 2 of something, an extra something popped into existence. If that were the case, then their math would likely reflect that. Afer all, this ath, these logical rules, they're all, ultimately, based in observations of our universe. With respect to how we see math, a problem arises in such a system, in that some mathematical operations could yield more than one value. A sort of indeterminancy at points. I think that this would make some things more difficult for whatever species tried to use it the way we use ours.