RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 6, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2016 at 1:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 6, 2016 at 1:31 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: You've already agreed that if the law of identity is true then 2+2=4 and can't =5.The law of identity refers to what we observe here, in our universe. I think it holds, but I don't think theres any universe, or at least any sensible universe, in which things pop into existence just because you add two and two. -In the hypothetical- not to my mind Ham...not to my mind, but -in the hypothetical-...that does happen. That is the universe described.
Now what?
Quote:No such universe can be described. You're making a use/mention error. 4 things can't have the identity of 5 (it doesn't matter what universe it is). All you can do is label 4 things as "5".... 4 things are still 4 things and 5 things are still 5 things. Labelling is irrelevant.Obviously such a universe -can be- described....it has -been- described. I just described it. You're losing your shit. Further, 4 things, in my example, -doesn't- have the identity of 5, five things do. In that hypothetical universe, which I don't think exists, when you add two things to two things, an extra thing pops into existence. Thus, the valid and correct sum of 2+2=5. That;s how we put our math together, that's how they would put their math together.
Quote:I told you enough times it doesn't fucking matter what universe it is and I've given my reasons. A=A is absolute in all hypotheticals. Address that.There is no reason to address it, we do not disagree, and it is irrelevant to the question posed by the hypothetical.
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