RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 6, 2016 at 2:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2016 at 2:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 6, 2016 at 2:28 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: There isn't such a universe hypothesized. No universe where 2+2=5 has been hypothesized.He has, I have, just stop.
Quote: but by trying to do so he's already presupposed a logical law that implies that 2+2=4 so he's violated his own hypothetical.-and that is where you are completely wrong. The law of identity doesn't imply that 2+2=4, it -states- that something is what it is and not what it is not. In the -hypothetical universe-, the identity of the sum of 2+2 is 5, so even if we are invoking that law...which we don't have to..but I do for convenience and to make this somehow sensible, that -is- what the sum of 2 and 2 is. It's 5. That's not what it is -here-...outside of the hypothetical, but that's irrelevant. Because this is a different universe with some other, different laws that lead to different results...which, themselves, can adhere to identity and still be different from ours....because, again, it's fucking different. The reason that 4 is the identity of 2+2 here, is because that;s what happens when you add those quantities. If, in that universe, when you add those quanities some extra, 5th thing appears..the correct and valid sum...the identity of the sum..of 2+2...is 5. It is what it is, and not what it's not..which, an example of what it is -not- in that hypothetical universe, is 4. Nevertheless, is this enough, is this adhernce to identity, as it is or would be in a different universe where things are different, sufficient condition to term this ruleset a logical one?
If...you....cannot...entertain..this....you cannot -help- but to pitch straw, to completely miss ops point, my point, the entire point.
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