RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 6, 2016 at 9:19 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2016 at 9:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
All of that, Ham, fails to be a strong objection to the point of contention..because as we've seen..the law of identity can be and has been included in the hypothetical with no change to the sum of 2+2. You think that the law of identity states that 2+2=4, but it doesn't. It states that what is cannot be what it is and what it is not.
-In the hypothetical-, 2+2 -is- 5. If identity holds, in that universe, the sum is 5 and cannot be not 5. The appeal to identity does not work in the hypothetical, because it's a different universe that can either include or exclude it and it will just be different, but not with regards to itself. Once OP steps out of the hypothetical, and asks whether or not the rules of that universe (whatever they are) can be called logical.......specifically by reference to a dictionary in this universe, well, then it applies, and then calling it logical is just equivocation..a violation of the law of identity, not any specific instance or state of being to which the law of identity can be applied, such as the product of addition, to the very law itself...which is what you've been angling for all along.
Logic is what it is and cannot be what it is not. If what the op is referring to is not that stuff...the stuff being referenced by that dictionary, it's not logical, no matter what it is, regardless of whether or not it -is-. Not, ultimately that you even need to mount this objection, because more than an issue of illogical propositions..it;s a simple matter of communication. Describing a disparate set of ideas with the very term to which you are distancing those ideas from...above being illogical, is simply counterproductive to communication and understanding. It's a failure to properly word, lol...more than a failure of rational thought.
-In the hypothetical-, 2+2 -is- 5. If identity holds, in that universe, the sum is 5 and cannot be not 5. The appeal to identity does not work in the hypothetical, because it's a different universe that can either include or exclude it and it will just be different, but not with regards to itself. Once OP steps out of the hypothetical, and asks whether or not the rules of that universe (whatever they are) can be called logical.......specifically by reference to a dictionary in this universe, well, then it applies, and then calling it logical is just equivocation..a violation of the law of identity, not any specific instance or state of being to which the law of identity can be applied, such as the product of addition, to the very law itself...which is what you've been angling for all along.
Logic is what it is and cannot be what it is not. If what the op is referring to is not that stuff...the stuff being referenced by that dictionary, it's not logical, no matter what it is, regardless of whether or not it -is-. Not, ultimately that you even need to mount this objection, because more than an issue of illogical propositions..it;s a simple matter of communication. Describing a disparate set of ideas with the very term to which you are distancing those ideas from...above being illogical, is simply counterproductive to communication and understanding. It's a failure to properly word, lol...more than a failure of rational thought.
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