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Dear Atheists
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RE: Dear Atheists
(November 8, 2016 at 12:43 am)ParagonLost Wrote: I figured it out by having the moral standards of the 21'st century. Slavery is not okay back then or now. I also don't believe in circumcision, stoning, executions, , or the atonement of sins. That is. I don't believe it's moral For God to sacrifice his son for my sins and yours so we can all get to heaven. I say God and his son because I think they're separate beings but part of the God-head. Don't be fooled by the idiom, were just talking Christian theology. (You don't have to accept the language)

in other words, you used your own, evolved senses of empathy, reciprocity, cooperation to retroactively apply it to the parts of the Bible you don't like. Got it.

If you are able to judge, and rightly so, that slavery, circumcision, stoning, etc were and always will be immoral, why worship a god that specifically sanctioned them?

So, if you don't believe there is a reason or morality for Jesus' sacrifice, why call yourself a Christian? If any one thing can be considered fundamental to all forms of Christianity (at least that I am familiar with) is the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus.

Believe me, I am happy that you do not try to justify the immoral actions of the 'Yahweh' character in the Bible.

Quote:I think for the resurrection, eschatology is a important word and that i think means the end of violence in this world. It means God please help us, Lord fix the world. But how are Paul and Jesus stating that this world is going to get fixed? They do it in different languages. Jesus claims the kingdom of heaven is here. He is not saying that it is in the future or coming soon but that it's happening now and we are called to join or partake. Another word is Participatory Eschaton. I think Jesus learned God is not violent and he's not going to supernaturally change the world with the wave of his hand. But we have to join God and humans together and participate together to fix this mess. Paul is stating it differently by stating The Resurrection has begun.

Sorry to inform you, but you are ignoring a lot of passages in the Bible that completely disagree with you.


Quote:The algorithm is in the writing itself. It's very complicated to understand the Bible because the Bible authors don't agree with each other. The writing and the context of that time period has to be understood to understand the Bible. Writing as you know takes place with metaphors, and idioms, similes, and figurative language in general.

Yes, it shows all the signs of being a group of texts that came about completely sans the input of a deity, and all the signs of being purely a creation of human beings.

Without the circular logic of already being believer, there is no 'special way' of reading the Bible. Confirmation bias is all you have.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Silver - November 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 6, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Pat Mustard - November 9, 2016 at 5:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by brewer - November 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by LastPoet - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 6:19 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 7:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 7, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2016 at 6:02 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by zebo-the-fat - November 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 6, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by vorlon13 - November 6, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by vorlon13 - November 6, 2016 at 6:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by GOĐ - November 7, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by PETE_ROSE - November 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 12:43 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Edward John - November 8, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 8, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 8, 2016 at 1:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Crossless1 - November 8, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Crossless1 - November 8, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 5:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Edward John - November 9, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 9, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Angrboda - November 9, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by AceBoogie - November 8, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by AceBoogie - November 9, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 7:02 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Excited Penguin - November 8, 2016 at 5:35 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 8, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 9, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 10, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 10, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 10, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 11, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 10, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 11, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Sal - November 11, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by bennyboy - November 11, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 11, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 3:42 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Drich - November 11, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 5:47 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by GOĐ - December 1, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 12, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 12, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 12, 2016 at 2:17 pm

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