RE: Dear Atheists
November 9, 2016 at 5:07 am
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2016 at 5:08 am by AceBoogie.
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(November 9, 2016 at 2:06 am)ParagonLost Wrote: I don't think it's fair to compare vampire or unicorns with God. For example there aren't many people who say they experience unicorns or fairies. It's a non word it has no substance in reality. But with God the experience can be knowledge granting, and in fact confirm his existence. Mysticism is a perceptual thing; a participation with divine realities. In the plural because it can be more than one reality. It is filled with phenomenological content and it's directed towards an object. In my case Jesus. Or Christian symbols and language. Phenomenology refers to a person's perception of "meaning" as opposed to the event as it exists outside of his mind. Lets take for example you're a outsider looking in. It's impossible to do, I don't even know how you do something like that but imagine your on the inside then you can be creative and interpret your framework as to what "feels" right or tactility. It must be said that feeling isn't just a emotion I'm talking about but feeling embraced or held.
I think it's completely fair to compare any god to unicorns or vampires. Both are mythical creatures that we have absolutely no evidence for the existence of. As I said before, the fact that a large group of people believe in something or used to believe in something does not give that something any more or less validity. Historically, VAST amounts of the population have been mistaken about many things, often for long periods of time, until the TRUTH was discovered. As of now, we have no scientific evidence for the existence of god, so as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing.
Who says the experience of god is knowledge granting? You? How do you know this? How do you KNOW that whatever you're experiencing is god? Here's a hint: you don't. Just because you experience something and FEEL/INTERPRET that experience as god does not make it so. How is this so hard for theists to understand? Your personal experience with the world around you doesn't define the world it only defines YOUR experience with the world.
(November 9, 2016 at 2:06 am)ParagonLost Wrote: There are theistic and non theistic mystical experiences. Numinous Theistic Mystical Experiences are dualistic in nature and there's a division between characters, You and God 2 separate objects in the experience. Non Theistic can be a experience of filling one with the universe or nature. Sometimes Theistic intimacy can help you declare "I am God".So what is your point? Some people have mystical experiences. So?
Do you think you could explain your experience you had on LSD in words. I would imagine it would be hard. I understand that you may believe my experience of the resurrection is not vernacular but self deceived delusions. In my opinion It means three things. 1. Jesus is a divine reality based off experience
2. Jesus is Lord the object of my reality. 3. Jesus was raised from the dead. Spiritual Resurrection.
And no, not EVERY aspect of experiences I've had with hallucinogens can be explained in words, what does that prove? Once again I'm not claiming that hallucinations I've had are anything more than what they are: hallucinations.
If your only proof for god is a 'personal vision' of jesus' supposed resurrection, I would advise you to get some psychological help.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll