On Logic and Alternate Universes

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes I know, identity identity identity, but you still squawk that even when identity is -included-, so it obviously doesn't matter, you simply have a compulsion, lol.  

Cant have it and can't logically have it aren't the same thing, specifically in the hypothetical, and everytime you answer in this way you show that you have failed to address the question or consider the hypothetical.  

I'm just trying to help you not get eviscerated by an intelligent apologist, if one ever materializes, lol.  For example, since you allowed, a few pages back, that these different rules could be logical...what if I then declared that these other rules were the rules surrounding special revelation?  Well, you may not think that it's true, or that it ever happened, but you could not...then....disregard it on grounds of being illogical.  Special revelation is, thusly, made equivalent to logic...so long as I include identity alongside "god said it so it's true" and (as per identity) since it's true it cannot be untrue...no matter what I say god specially revelaed, no matter how it disagreed with anything you thought was true....it's logical, so says you.  

That's why I kept asking you if the inclusion of your pet rule was sufficient condition. That;ls also why I tried to help you understand that while we both agree that identity must hold in every possible universe, it doesn't mean what you think it means by itself, chiefly, that 2+2=4. The identity of the sum is whatever it is...in whatever uinverse we are rreferring to...and in a universe where 2+2 -is- 5, identity holds to 5. Identity is referent, not a standalone concept.