RE: How Much Evidence Will It Take You To Believe In God???
November 15, 2016 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2016 at 1:34 pm by Edward John.)
(November 15, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:Edward John Wrote:That's just your opinion. I'm not interested in mere opinions. Please demonstrate that your atheistic opinion is a proper representation of reality. If you can't, then your just a person of faith.
Atheism is not an opinion, it is a state of mind. The state of not having a belief that any supernatural deities are literally real. Atheists have opinions, but atheism is not itself an opinion. Neither is theism, which is the opposite state of mind. It is a fact that you are a theist, and it is a fact that I am an atheists. That what evidence there is for the existence of God is sufficient or insufficient is an opinion that largely depends on how high you raise the bar of skepticism before you'll believe it is true. I'm an atheist because I am a skeptic. I used to believe all sorts of things, just about everything: ESP, ghosts, ancient astronauts, miracles, you name it. After seeing some of those things faked, I became more skeptical, and developed an interest in critical thinking and skepticism. The belief in God was one of the last low-evidence things I stopped believing in, because I was raise to think that belief was critically important, but there was only so long that I could apply a different standard to that belief than I applied to all the other ones.
It's my opinion that you have not made your case to a degree that would sufficiently justify rational acceptance of it. How do you think your employment of the tu quoque fallacy of 'you're just stating opinions!' is going to change that? For someone desperate to convert me, you seem awfully attached to your pre-chosen approach of thinking you don't have to learn anything from us or believe anything we say in order to reach us. Wouldn't someone who really wants to reach me treat me with love and respect rather than condescension and contempt?
Okay. Then I have a request of you. I would like you to give me a better explanation for moral absolutes than God. I will propose a moral absolute to you. I would like you to demonstrate how the no God position is a better explanation for the moral absolute. "It is always wrong for people to torture babies to death merely for their personal pleasure." Can you please tell me how that moral absolute gains its validity in an atheistic worldview? I would say that an atheistic worldview, particularly in a Christian one, God has given us morals which are a reflection of his character. Because we are made in his image (Genesis 1: 26), we recognize what is right and wrong because the law of God is written on our hearts (Romans 1: 18).
(November 15, 2016 at 1:31 pm)Nymphadora Wrote:(November 15, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Edward John Wrote: This proves that you are good at lying.
Fuck off and go play in traffic. You come to an atheist forum, admitting that your sole intent is to "convert" us, you have the balls to tell others here what they think and/or feel, assert your opinions that your piece of shit god exists, without any shred of proof (which you still have yet to supply) and then have the audacity to demand we provide your proof for you? You're nothing more than a festering boil on the ass of humanity, who does nothing more than troll and spread ignorance.
No, sweet cheeks, I'm not lying. You are the liar. Show some tangible proof via the scientific method, you know, the kind thats been tested, for the existence of any god.
I'll wait.
More lying.