(November 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Edward John Wrote: Exactly just as I thought you would do, People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him. Romans 3:23. Atheists are strongly motivated to not believe in the biblical God a God who is rightly angry at them for their treason against Him.
That just isn't based in reality. Why would I need forgiveness from God? Because I have sinned? Isn't it impossible not to sin? So I need forgiveness for not doing the impossible, from the one who actually made it impossible.
I don't believe any gods exist. I am not biased against Zeus because I don't believe he exists. I have no malice toward Krishna because I don't believe he exists. I have not committed treason against Baal because I don't believe he exists and therefore do not worship him.
And why would any deity be "rightly angry" for me not believing? Do you not believe your God to be responsible for giving me a brain to think with and the desire to think with it? Why would he be so furious with me for using it?
What is REALLY going on here is that you are ignorantly demanding that I simply accept what you say as absolute truth on no evidence whatsoever. And not only must I accept that your god is really real, I must ALSO accept that no other gods could possibly be real, that yours is the one true path even among those who believe in your god, that any other beliefs involving magic or spirits, if real, are actually representatives of Satanic works, etc. You are demanding that I believe EVERYTHING you say, that I discredit EVERYTHING you don't agree with, based on nothing but your word that you, personally, "know" it to be true. Well I have a friend who "knew" a couple of weeks ago that he read an article on the CNN website which quoted Obama as saying he wouldn't leave office if Trump won the election, but he was wrong.
You simply cannot fathom that your beliefs are only special to you. There is no reason for me to hold them dear because I don't care if they're real or not. You have to pretend that atheists are this group of nasty, evil, vile people who hate your God because they don't want to follow his rules, but really, how fucking hard is it to not kill people, not steal, not lie about your neighbor, not fantasize about banging your neighbor's wife, go to church now and then...there's nothing there that is really all that tough. I already don't do most of the things I'm not supposed to do and do most of the things I am supposed to do. My life would change very damned little if I joined a mainstream religion. Granted, it would change a lot more if I joined one of the more "colorful" religions. I would have a lot less free time, what with all the Bible reading so I could pretend to know something relevant, the door knocking and, of course, trolling Internet forums full of atheists so I could get myself all worked up over how stubborn and evil they were for not doing what they mostly already do anyway.
And for your belief that I am "strongly motivated" to not believe in God, do you even understand how stupid that is? If I did believe in God I would be VERY strongly motivated to not get my ass lit on fire for all eternity. What moron would knowingly trade all eternity for sleeping in on Sundays for a few decades? Yet THAT is the idiotic choice you seem to think we've made. I don't believe because your argument is not compelling. Your argument is not compelling because magic isn't real. That's it. There are no secret motives. There is no conspiracy against your deity. The ENTIRE STORY is that magic simply isn't real, so I reject your magical thinking on the basis that you can't show me any damned magic. It's pretty straightforward, actually.
So what does that mean? All your whining and tantrum throwing about how we are actively sabotaging your attempts to "save us" isn't for us, it's for your own petty, selfish need to feed your own belief system which even you aren't dumb enough to buy on a subconscious level. You'll live forever!...after you die... It's no wonder you are having so much trouble hanging on to those moronic beliefs that you feel the need to "throw yourself into the lion's den" and just poke at those lions until you get the reaction you were hoping for, confirmation that lions are mean! It's not about us. It's about feeding your own pathetic need to quell your own doubts about beliefs which ultimately make no sense, something you are well aware of on a subconscious level. That's why you're so confrontational and angry about it.
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