If there is a creator, so what?

[Whateverist]

Seems to me that you might be underestimating what counts as fully human.  There is definitely a cultural component to that.  Someone entirely ruled by a pigs-at-the-trough mindset (like Trump) is lacking in his humanity. [1] I don't see why we should characterize a more cultured mindset as divine rather than simple more humane. [2] This is purely semantics of course but I see no justification for that split.

I'm sure that is what many of us would like to know.  Not that we can get there too, mind you, but because we expect your justification will be lacking.  Good luck. [3]

1) Definitely, but I don't see how Trump's apparent lacking translates to my underestimation of what counts as fully human? If we can say that Trump is lacking something, then he would be fuller if he had it. Whatever it is he is lacking, therefore, would be an aspect of fully human. How have we underestimated?

2) I don't quite get your meaning.

3) I went through some important reasons some months ago, mostly interacting with Robvalue. I linked it in a response to Alasdair several posts back. I'd rather not go through it all again. So if you'd like, you can read through that thread, and I can answer questions in a different thread from this one.

More than fair and I was hoping you wouldn't get weighed down in that anyhow.  But on to breakfast.  Back in an hour or so.