If there is a creator, so what?

[Ignorant]

Really?  Fucking -really-?  If I live my life as if there's no god, or I never understand god, If I never know god...what will I have missed out on.......what does belief in god or knowledge of god grant, by reference to your own statements earlier in thread......? [1] Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can absolve yourself of the implications of your statements by mentioning that you didn't explicitly say them yourself.  That's brinksmanship and deeply, deeply dishonest.  I feel the need to remind you here, that doing this is to be deeply dishonest about something that is roundly dismissive of the very humanity of others........are you that guy, do you want to be that guy, does it need to be done in service of christ?  I'd answer no to all three if I were you, and for you.   [2]

I;m imploring you to -step up-...not -shut up-.  

:channeling his inner jesuit:....by doing good work..........not -any- old work.  I know you can do better because I've -seen- you do better, even if I don't agree. [3]

1) The full human life would include living life according to all that is true about it. IF god is real, and IF the full human life consists in acting according to that knowledge, then living as if he is not real can't lead you to this full human life. Does that mean "you" have a shit life? Does that mean "you" are a horrible person? Does that mean "your" life is meaningless? No. I have never said that, and I never would. Even living as if there were no god can provide a certain fullness, but it can never be the fullEST because it is lacking a part of reality. Is that really that controversial? Even so:
You didn't say that is what I said, you said that I said: "[People are] not full and whole, somehow, because they don't have jesus"

I don't believe that. I believe people can lead a full human life without the Christian revelation. The Jesuits that taught you and me believe the same. They probably would also agree that a full human life can't be lived without "natural knowledge" of god. They also believe, like me, that living as if there were no god is not an automatic disqualification from heaven. Living (i.e. doing work) according to what you hold to be true is the measure. The Christian revelation teaches that Christ fills up what is lacking.

2) No I don't want to be that guy. I asked the question exactly BECAUSE I don't want to be that guy. Your assessment of my position was about a relation with Jesus, about which I have said very little. Your response made it clear that you meant god (i.e. god in the rational sense), not Jesus (i.e. god in the revelation sense). Thanks for clearing that up.

3) I really can't. I am sorry to disappoint you.