(November 18, 2016 at 10:13 am)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not missing any nuance, you're seeking a way to be right despite the consequence. If I have a relationship with christ, as an atheist...why, again, should I care about your beliefs or your creator? [1] As before...in seeking the gotcha [2] you have made your beliefs, and even the truth of your beliefs, an irrelevance. So what;s the score now? I have a meaningless "relationship" no matter what with your evil god? How well is this going, in your estimation? [3]
They may believe that, but at least some understand that the belief is not required, and that the belief may offer no advantage. In fact, it may be a disadvantage. I may get of relatively easy come judgement day. That;s a reason -not- to give a shit, not a reason to care. [4]
I think that you're shitting all over the word relationship -and- your beliefs. This relationship is no more meaningful than my "relationship" with oxygen. [5] My acceptance of the tenants is no more useful or effective than my rejection of the same. [6]
-if it is a reality it's an irrelevant reality to me, and if it's not a reality, I still live. See, doesn't matter either way. [7]
1) Remember the first thing I brought up? Caring about what is true? Then remember what I brought up later: Either the truth you acknowledge is meaningful to you, or it isn't. I find it meaningful. You don't. All I can do is try to explain it in a more meaningful way. Clearly you find my (or any) description lacking. Why "should" you care? I don't know, you aren't a child, you do as you will.
2) Maybe I was never seeking a "gotcha"? No one else here seems to think I was.
3) If you can't tell, with you, I know it's going very poorly. You asked me to try. Even though you and I both knew I would do very poorly, I tried anyway because who knows, maybe something in my poor description would stand out to you. Well, clearly it hasn't. What do you want from me?
4) If you say so.
5) Ya, that is clear.
6) Thanks for sharing your judgment.
7) So, like I said, it will matter to some people, and others it won't. Congratulations.