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Believers, put yourself in my place.
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RE: Believers, put yourself in my place.
(November 18, 2016 at 11:40 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 17, 2016 at 4:43 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Isn't it funny how we can call the Greek gods mythology, but people get offended if you say the same thing about Christian mythology?

Many (Most? Nearly all?) would take offense to any pairing of Christianity with mythology if by mythology you mean "not true". I do not. Greek mythology has many truths within it. Mythology and religion are parallel approaches to spiritual reality. A mythological outlook looks for truths that are not contingent on historical facts. Bibilical exegisis takes this approach as well. The story of the Exodus conveys many truths regardless of its historical accuracy or even if never happened at all. The intellectual poverty of atheism is its inability to recognize and work with truths that are not directly bound to physical facts.

This again? To hear you say it, atheists are so intellectually and imaginatively impoverished that we would read Moby Dick and conclude that it's nothing more than a story about a whaling voyage gone wrong. We're not all such bad readers, Chad. I certainly don't think "Genesis" is historically true (I doubt you do, either), yet it ranks among my favorite books, and I have read it several times with great pleasure and feel enriched by the experience despite not believing in Yahweh. Mythology/religion does offer a pathway to certain insights about human nature. If you want to call it 'true' I won't quibble, though I prefer 'meaningful'.

Try to bear in mind that the "fundamentalist" approach to the Bible that you see with so many atheists has to do with the sort of Christians most likely to proselytize us -- Baptists and Evangelicals, for the most part. A good many atheists were also raised in such households, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that Protestant Bible Thumpers with their crude "The Bible Says It; I Believe It; That Settles It" attitude are the go-to stereotype many people think of when they hear "Christian".  I agree that it's a poor way to approach Christians as a group and a terrible way to read the Bible, regardless of which side indulges in it, but you've seen many examples of those same believers here at AF. If you want nuance, you're wise to drift toward Catholicism.

But damn it, Chad, stop characterizing all of us as being just as dim as you likely think some of your co-religionists are when it comes to reading and understanding your book.
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Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 17, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 17, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 17, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 18, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Doubting Thomas - November 17, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 17, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 18, 2016 at 11:40 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 18, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 18, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 18, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 18, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Fireball - November 19, 2016 at 12:40 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Huggy Bear - November 22, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 22, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 22, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 22, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 7:26 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Crossless1 - November 18, 2016 at 5:45 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by RoadRunner79 - November 18, 2016 at 8:19 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Aegon - November 18, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by purplepurpose - November 18, 2016 at 7:36 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 7:59 am
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RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:42 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 8:59 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by RoadRunner79 - November 18, 2016 at 9:13 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:33 am
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RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by 8BitAtheist - November 18, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 18, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Silver - November 18, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Catholic_Lady - November 18, 2016 at 5:51 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Minimalist - November 21, 2016 at 1:02 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2016 at 1:23 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Minimalist - November 18, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 18, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 19, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 20, 2016 at 9:28 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 19, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by AceBoogie - November 19, 2016 at 2:47 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 19, 2016 at 3:12 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 19, 2016 at 7:23 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 3:55 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by theologian - November 20, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Aegon - November 20, 2016 at 11:49 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:28 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Homeless Nutter - November 21, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 22, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:16 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 1:50 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Minimalist - November 21, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 11:42 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 3:56 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Huggy Bear - November 22, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 22, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 22, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Huggy Bear - November 22, 2016 at 11:40 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Huggy Bear - November 23, 2016 at 12:31 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by purplepurpose - November 22, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by robvalue - November 23, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Believers, put yourself in my place. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 23, 2016 at 8:41 am

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