(November 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(November 18, 2016 at 11:53 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Um. I'd say the truth of oxygen is pretty important. It's falsehood would kind of be bad. I guess I wouldn't care without oxygen but only because I'd be too dead to care.
The truth of oxygen simply wasn't important at all until it's discovery a few hundred years ago. People managed to live full and whole human lives. People managed to be imperfectly happy. Since it;s discovery (and there are still plenty of people who don't know about it, lol), I doubt that many people have given it two seconds thought and we -continue- to live full and whole human lives and be imperfectly happy.
It doesn't matter -at all- to the focus of what Igno has described as the locus of caring., the reason to care, and so..neither does it's equally pedestrian analog in god as described in this thread, by Igno.
The attempt to distinguish god from oxygen, also in this thread, was to claim that it wasn't just fundamental, but the -most- fundamental. Equally pointless and for the very same reasons. The higgs boson (before it;s discovery, after it;s discovery, if it exists, if it doesn't) lies far below oxygen, in that scheme of things, it;s being more fundamental doesn't make it any more operative in my full and whole human life or my imperfect happiness than oxygen was.
The entire line of reasoning is an attempt to prove something by fiat (and a weak attempt at that, slipping quietly back and forth between senses)...but that doesn't work, because even within the belief set and even from the authorities in that beliefset it is acknowledged that there are other ways o live a full and whole human life, to achieve imperfect happiness, and even, possibly, to achieve perfect happiness in the next life. The rebuttal offered to this was nothing more a less a restatement of the god-as-oxygen "relationship". So lets start there again, I guess.....up at the top.
It's a closed loop of failure peppered with the usual apologist asshattery, though, granted....far less of that than usual and for that at least, I'll commend Igno.
My bold. You're talking about the knowledge of oxygen, not the truth of oxygen. You're not agreeing with me by saying the truth of oxygen wasn't important until we knew about it, lol. Before the truth was known it was kind of still important. Being able to breathe is kind of important.
You do this thing where you say you've been agreeing with me all along after I point out something you've said that's inaccurate lol.
