RE: How to convert Christians to atheists in 30 seconds (ironically, using bible)
December 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm by Asmodee.)
(December 6, 2016 at 12:03 pm)Ignorant Wrote: 1) The resurrection is of the body. Your body will be physically restored and reunited with your soul, but without any corruption. Those who have risen in god's friendship will be "divinized" (sorry, I can't think of a better word) in both their body and their soul. What does that mean or what will that be like? We're not really sure, but I'll take a swing at what I think it might be like.
Our own way of being human can be thought of as a "participation" in "being-itself" (which we call Christians god). We don't exist by our own power alone. Instead, we exist in-cooperation-with the power of "being-itself". We are "being" human through a participation with the power of "being-itself".
From that point of view, the "divinization" of the resurrected faithful is the additional inverse participation: i.e. the "divine-being" acts through a participation with the human-being, in addition to the human being's natural participation in the divine-being. The resurrection is an eternal divinely-human-being.
2) The resurrection will heal and restore every lacking in the unity of the human-being, simultaneously both body and soul. Everyone will be raised to the version of themselves that is "most-full".
3) All good questions for which there is freedom of thought. I don't know where I stand about them.
4) I have tried to include in my answers my own understanding about what Jesus and the Apostles taught just as I have received those teachings 1) in the Bible, 2) in the 2000 year reflection on Christ's teachings and its lived experience by the apostolic community he started (which is called Church Tradition) and 3) in that same apostolic community's daily teaching and way of life (i.e. today's Catholic Church). I believe my explanations represent Catholic teaching (and therefore, Christ's teaching), but if they do not I would be happy to know where and how so I can correct my error.
I don't think I've ever heard the claim before that both body and soul will live eternally. Tell me, where do you get this and why would you want it? I recently broke both elbows racing my daughter and I can tell you I don't want physical elbows in Heaven. Why would I even need them if God, himself, is spirit? You're saying that people are still going to have stinky buttholes in heaven? Will the men have foreskins? If yes, what about the Jews who cut theirs off as a covenant to God before Jesus? Surely some of those will be in Heaven. Would that mean their covenant has ended? If no, how does that work for the uncircumcised? Will God hire a doctor? Will there be scaring like there is with earthly circumcision? And what happens to the parts of the body that made up the foreskin? That bit just stays rotting in the ground? With there be Catholic graveyards full of coffins containing nothing but foreskins?
This belief really brings up a whole lot more questions than it answers. And it's not based on, literally, anything I have ever heard or read anywhere before.
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