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How to convert Christians to atheists in 30 seconds (ironically, using bible)
RE: How to convert Christians to atheists in 30 seconds (ironically, using bible)
(December 6, 2016 at 11:39 am)Tonus Wrote: Would the afterlife be noticeably different from the current one? [1] Do you think that our afterlives will be anything at all like our current ones? [2] Is heaven a place that feels like a real world or city? [3] Is hell a place that feels like a cavern dug into the earth or a lake that is on fire? [4] If my afterlife is an echo of my current life, then I'd spend eternity being pretty carefree and happy.  Does that mean I'd be in heaven in spite of my atheism? [5] Or in something akin to the suburbs of hell, where life really isn't that bad because they keep the undesireables out? [6]

I don't know how to answer your question without understanding the actual circumstances of the afterlife.  This was something that I never saw answered as a theist, and that I've never seen answered since. [7]

But there are sinful actions which may not be the cause of torment to others, or which require us to stretch the meaning of 'torment.'  A person who directs porn videos for a living and is a friendly and caring person his whole life... what happens to him? [8]

Is Dante's Inferno considered canon by the Church? [9] The Bible is either vague on the concept of hell (if you interpret it all as metaphor) or quite clear on the concept (if you interpret it literally).  Jesus' own teaching tended to be all-or-nothing. [10]

Your descriptions make me think that some parts of hell aren't quite, uh... hellish.  I know that Jesus spoke of some being called "least" in heaven, which means that heaven might also be fragmented along such lines.  So maybe heaven and hell are on a single plane of existence where there are slums at one end leading towards nicer housing until you get to a decent suburban area where it rains just a bit too often, and then there's a big gate separating them from a nice neighborhood where you can keep your doors unlocked, leading up to the classy rich neighborhood that's just a short walk from God's office (whose schedule is always clear because no one complains). [11]

I mean, if the worst slum in hell gets cable TV then maybe eternity isn't so bad, unless all it shows are re-runs of The Apprentice. [12]

1) Yes. Your body will be incorrupt, and you will know almost everything. Marriage, however, won't be a thing apparently.

2) Yes. You will have a body that can hear, see, feel, taste, smell and everything. There will be trees. Animals. Pretty much like this one.

3) Not sure what it would "feel" like. All I know is that it will be satisfaction itself. Since full human satisfaction includes multiple levels (e.g. nutrition, relationships, society, etc.), I expect there to be analogous things as well. Will there be cities? Maybe just one. Will it be anything like our cities? Sure, but only what is good about them. 

4) I have no idea. There will probably be fire (?), or at least heat, the intensity of which would correspond to the shittiness of your life.

5) I have no idea what it will be like for you or if you will be in heaven or hell. If you live a good but truly atheistic life, then that is exactly what you can expect at the resurrection. In other words, you might expect a mediocre eternity spent with the knowledge that you could have had a divine eternity.

6) Maybe, but you would also know for eternity that you could be living with much much more in eternity than a mere "repeat" of your carefree and happy life.

7) I don't know which question you are talking about.

8) I have no idea what happens to him. What I do know is that nothing about pornography leads to human flourishing. It manipulates, uses, traumatizes and dehumanizes the people involved, and it distorts and reduces one of the most beautiful of human actions which means love, unity, and fruitfulness to one that simply means self-pleasure. How aware he is of that reality, and how much that activity forms his central reason-for-living will factor into how well he has lived his life. 

9) No it is not canon, but the Divine Comedy is a good poetic image of the graded nature which are probably present in hell and in heaven. I brought it up that purpose, not to propose that Dante's descriptions of the torments of hell should be accepted. He captured the Catholic understanding of eternal justice, in that the pagan philosophers who sought truth and goodness honestly were not blessed, but they were not tormented like some of the popes and other poor souls in Dante's story. Dante, perhaps better than any poet, expressed poetically the Catholic understanding of hell even if his details don't do the same.

10) Yes, it is all or nothing in the sense that, either you will live a divinely eternal life, or you won't. Either way, you will KNOW that the divine life was possible, but your life chose otherwise.

11) That's one way to look at it, but I'd say heaven and hell are not on the same continuum. The separation is more drastic/transcendent.

12) If Jesus is Heaven spilling over into this world, then the Apprentice is DEFINITELY hell spilling over as well. Cheers!
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RE: How to convert Christians to atheists in 30 seconds (ironically, using bible) - by Ignorant - December 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm

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