RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
January 2, 2017 at 10:22 am
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2017 at 10:26 am by Amarok.)
(January 2, 2017 at 5:11 am)Regina Wrote:(January 1, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Orochi Wrote: Yup and there is another 99% who are against them along with the 99% of us so there 15,000,000 amounts to jack shit hell they can't even organize properly there as libel to kill each as they are us so sam's being an alarmist tool
15,000,000 is a medium-sized country, not a small fringe cult of a few thousand in the deserts of Northern Arabia.
Sam Harris is not an "alarmist", he's someone who (finally) isn't trying to ignore, whitewash and downplay Islamism. I'd also argue that radicalism and extremist views are not exclusive to terrorists or ISIS. Simply not being violent is not enough for me to call you "moderate", if you're still a Wahhabist who "non-violently" believes apostasy and homosexuality should be criminalised and the niqab should be pushed to "protect" women, you are not "moderate". Yes it's still a minority of Muslims who believe that, but it's not a small "fringe" minority, it's a pretty big minority that you don't have to look very far to encounter, even in Europe.
I repeat because it's necessary after saying that, no I don't think an Islamist take-over is about to happen in Europe, not imminently anyway.
We don't help however by trying to ignore that Wahhabism exists within our societies, and refusing to talk about it so as not to look "bigoted". We'd do well, as a start, to actually get a better diversity of opinions from "the Muslim community" instead of just giving authority to Islamic "scholars" and Imams. Where's the platform for Ex-Muslims and practicing reformers? Those are the voices we need to hear right now.
Yup spread here there and everywhere with little leadership as for how many are for the following policies. I have lived in Europe I have meet many Muslims and at best I have meet two who support ether polices. And there view was gay therapy and the head covers are for Muslim woman only .
As for Harris yes he is an alarmist he sees Muslim plots in his soup. One loon says something in media an Harris makes an hour long podcast essentially screaming the sky is falling the sky is falling and I said nothing about ignoring extremism.
As for ex Muslims and reformers throw a fucking rock and you'll hit one. Get them to actually talk about anything of substance or shock talk to imams and scholars with any consistency is like drawing blood from rocks. There criticism tend to skin deep and there solutions and like a first time Christian apologist. If they want a place a big kids table they need put on there big boy pants.
(January 2, 2017 at 6:13 am)abaris Wrote:(January 2, 2017 at 5:11 am)Regina Wrote: 15,000,000 is a medium-sized country, not a small fringe cult of a few thousand in the deserts of Northern Arabia.
Do you believe them to be a block of 15 millions? Disregarding, of course, all the different denominations of Islam, all the cultural, national and ethnic differences?
Yes, Harris is pretty much an alarmist. In everything he picks up. He should stick to his field of expertise since everything else he utters comes pretty much out of the lower orifice and is not an expert opinion. He played the same shtick with AI recently, weaving the alarmist tale of AI taking over somewhere in the future. Disregarding pretty much everything the relevant branches of science and technology tell us about AI and it's possible capabilities. Possible because we haven't even invented it yet.
Indeed harris needs to learn to stick to his own field a stop trying to being William Lane Craig
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