(January 11, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Yadayadayada Wrote: Atheists, please define "evidence".
evidence
[ev-i-duh ns]
noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
What sort of evidence would "tend to prove" the existence of God?
- The non-absence of said God.
You see? when people talk about a god, any god, even your God, they mean a concept which has been passed down through the generations... this concept has naturally evolved, some features have been discarded, others enhanced, others added.
Given the patent and obvious absence of any god in the present day reality, I am forced to ask what did the original concept of god look like?
Better yet, how did that concept appear on human minds?
a) god put it there, by some form of telepathy.
b) god actually appeared and physically interacted with humans to pass on the concept.
c) people invented it.
d) some other?
What I see believers constantly espousing is something along the lines of a), with b) being rejected for it would raise wayyy too many questions.
But the interesting bit is that, c) is virtually indistinguishable from a), from our present-day point of view. So, how can we tell which happened?
One approach is to look at humans today and see what seems more likely - that they invented something, or that they were given that something?
If the god that is has the capacity to telepathically implant a concept on our minds AND has not been shy about doing it in the past, then why are there multiple concepts of god? why are there atheists?
It seems an odd contradiction, doesn't it?
So, the most logical possibility is that the concept was invented.
I doubt it was invented in a vacuum. I think it sprouted from a pre-existing concept for the human soul... which is something with a pretty clear origin, as we consider our minds as entities separate from our bodies. The mind becomes a soul, an entity which can transcend the mortality of the body. But transcends where? how?... some other realm? Dreams and hallucinations seem to be portals to that other realm... If a realm it is, it needs a ruler, the first soul, call it a king, a father, a god.
And the rest is history fueled by human ingenuity and imagination.
But do note that the theme of the father and king/ruler of the other realm remains more or less intact across religions.
Keep the people subjugated to that otherworldly ruler, while propagating the concept that such a ruler exists, and the people will kneel to it, will yield authority to it.
Enter the occasional charismatic "prophet" (or charismatic person talking about a prophet) taking advantage of such an accepting crowd and you see leaps in religious adherence.... you see new religions.