Dylann Roof sentenced to death

[Brian37]

The broader, current application of the death penalty certain is bigger than Roof, but I've never argued that it's currently perfect or even okay. My argument is not bigger than Roof and men like him. You're arguing against a puff of smoke you're blowing.

Pretty sure I;m arguing against the death penalty.  / shrugs  

Don't you want people to be able to appeal? I'm only talking about the sentence, not the conviction.

Ideally, if we're talking about writing decent laws, leaving them wide open to appeals that would let those hypothetically 100% guilty folks free are to be avoided.  

I wasn't saying there are perfect laws. I was saying, even if someone wrote a perfect law, either the side that wants to kill everyone who winds up in jail would be pissed because they couldn't kill enough people and the nobody dies crowd would be pissed because still too many people get executed. You can't fix the problem until people are willing to compromise to some degree, which they will never be. Therefore, I will continue to not give a shit or even say boo when guys like Roof get executed and I will continue to give extra shits for the wrongfully convicted.

We're in the same boat on that last bit, like I said, I don't give a shit about roof.  The majority of my objection to the dp has nothing to do with those rightfully or wrongly executed, though.  Who they are, their character, whether I give a shit about them, the nature of their crimes, none of that.  Personally, I'm not a fan of compromise for the sake of compromise, certainly not when it comes to the state killing anyone, for any reason.

I am not for the death penalty for moral reasons, having more to do with selfish reasons as well. When you know what it is like to have a mob hate you knowing you didn't do it, it is a very bad place to be in. My rejecting it is more selfish but also long term, and in our age of quick satisfaction and quick judgment media, the death penalty bleeds into anyone accused of murder. Again, my being accused of throwing that rock doesn't come close to being accused of murder, so there has to be a mindset of fact finding in cases of crime, not emotional kneejerk reaction in real crime, and especially murder cases. 

The death penalty is also used in Iran and Saudi Arabia. So that says to me all I need to know about human evolution and that if it can happen there based on far less safety nets and can be based on revenge and religion, I don't want to see a long term climate where we end up back in the dark ages here, back in the days of witch hunts, and lynchings. Not just for others accused, but what I would want for myself if I was falsely accused.