RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm by Godscreated.)
(January 30, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Asmodee Wrote:(January 28, 2017 at 12:42 am)Godschild Wrote: Just because you say you haven't seen evidence of Him doesn't mean it's not there. You could be keeping your eyes closed or just plain denying what you've seen.Back at you. Just because you've seen no evidence that he has lied to you does not mean he hasn't lied to you. You could be keeping your eyes closed or just plain denying the lies you've seen.
Either we both get to make claims based on what we haven't seen or neither of us do. You don't get to launch the bar into space for me and bury it deep in the Earth for yourself.
I did not raise it for you nor lower it for me, you're seeing only what you want to see in my statement, the same thing you do with God.
I examine what I receive from God so I can know it's true meaning. Do I question God's trustworthiness, no He has proven himself to me. I've asked this question before, why would an omniscient being find it necessary to lie, that's not logical. So now you see that I have not changed the bar because I have paid particularly close attention with my eyes wide open.
(January 28, 2017 at 12:42 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes, many Christians use these words, they are trying to tell people that God is so far beyond us that we could never fully understand HIm. Again I say an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent being has no need to lie, it's simple reasoning. Your little digs are childish and I expect you will keep them up.
GC
Asmodee Wrote:You have no possible way of knowing what an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent thing has need or desire of. You're just making that up. How do you know this? Can you prove this? Can you even imagine what it's like to have these three qualities, much less know what a being with such qualities may or may not desire or need?
I read the Bible and talk with Him so my information comes directly from the source. I can't imagine that's why I've gone to the source toxins the answers I could not otherwise obtain.
An omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being needs nothing, God has always had all He ever needed and when One has everything who can HE desire anything. He does have desires for us because He knows what it will mean for us.
GC
(January 28, 2017 at 2:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Wait, wait - have we seriously descended to the level of 'intellectual' dishonesty where we're supposed to take the phrase "all is good" to mean "there is no evil"?
Does the phrase "all quiet on the Western Front" mean that there is literally no soundwave propagation whatsoever in the area?
God was referring to the entire universe.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
