RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 30, 2017 at 6:21 pm
(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:Oh, so the problem is with me. You didn't say what you said, you said what you're now saying you said. How original.(January 30, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Back at you. Just because you've seen no evidence that he has lied to you does not mean he hasn't lied to you. You could be keeping your eyes closed or just plain denying the lies you've seen.
Either we both get to make claims based on what we haven't seen or neither of us do. You don't get to launch the bar into space for me and bury it deep in the Earth for yourself.
I did not raise it for you nor lower it for me, you're seeing only what you want to see in my statement, the same thing you do with God.
I examine what I receive from God so I can know it's true meaning. Do I question God's trustworthiness, no He has proven himself to me. I've asked this question before, why would an omniscient being find it necessary to lie, that's not logical. So now you see that I have not changed the bar because I have paid particularly close attention with my eyes wide open.
You said you "knew" God had never lied to you because you had never seen evidence that he had. I said the exact same thing, only mine was something you didn't want to accept. So lack of evidence is evidence for you, but it doesn't work that way for me. It was okay for you to use lack of evidence as evidence (a "low bar"), but it means nothing when I do it (a "raised bar").
Now we can either go back and forth, each of us making you look like a jackass, or you can just accept that yes, you fucked up there. Because you did.
(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:So what is your evidence that such a being could lie only out of necessity? Maybe she simply desires to lie. Maybe it's just her nature. Once again you pretend to know her mind, while pretending we could never know her mind.Asmodee Wrote:You have no possible way of knowing what an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent thing has need or desire of. You're just making that up. How do you know this? Can you prove this? Can you even imagine what it's like to have these three qualities, much less know what a being with such qualities may or may not desire or need?
I read the Bible and talk with Him so my information comes directly from the source. I can't imagine that's why I've gone to the source toxins the answers I could not otherwise obtain.
[b]An omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being needs nothing[/i], God has always had all He ever needed and when One has everything who can HE desire anything. He does have desires for us because He knows what it will mean for us.
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