I am about to ask a serious but utterly reprehensible question

[Astonished]

In all genuine honesty...and I just came up with this today, and someone making a threat about hell in one of the threads convinced me it has to be asked. Please, don't hate me, this is not done out of malice or perversion, and is simply a ghastly version of a reductio ad absurdum.

What a self righteous douche.

One the wage of sin is death. Not forever torment. You have confused bible lore with what the bible actually says.. This would give most intellectually honest people a moment to pause and take inventory of what it is they do know about the bible... but not you. You seem to fancy yourself on at least the bible basics so you plow ahead introduce a Base rate fallacy and make a judgement that because what YOU say "A" is True then "B" must also be true, that religious people are evil. Here's the thing moron.. A is not true and B is not true..

On a side note, how did you like the election results?

The one thing the election results said loud and clear is that America is tired and will be shaking off the hippy douche bag red tinted glasses we have been looking through for the last 8 years, and will start looking at things honestly and openly again. Hopfully you will lemming along with the rest of the crowd and learn to be an honest judge of character and learn a little tolerance.

for instance lets shine some honesty on your dishonest assessment of Christianity:

To any person who will tell a child that they are a miserable sinner and deserving of an eternity of fiery torment - regardless of how easy they claim it will be to avoid this (and remember, you still deserve it, you've just been given undeserved mercy via salvation, right? You're still scum but they let you into the country club)

One, once a child can honestly see and identify sin then at that point he is responsible for his actions. and like anyone else must seek atonement for those sins. This is true in or out of religion. Most people simply use different terms, unless you are one of those horrible free range parents who let their kid shit on the floor at grocery store, and breasts feeds them till they want to stop (15/18 whatever) Why because a child's will is not that of a greater social order it is that of selfishness, and at some point even the most vial free ranger must put some sort of restriction or balance on the child even if it just to turn the child into a hippy douche like the parent. Other wise the child will simply grow up selfish and antisocial.

Christian's simply put God's rules in place or society's rule set.

- what is stopping you from saying that child deserves to be, say, raped?Surely flesh-searing torment without end is a worse fate, and surely some lava-skinned demon down there is going to get their hands on you at some point, right? So why would you say one and not the other, if one is far, far worse and yet can't be experienced on earth?

Because as it is, The wage of sin is death. a Death Jesus Himself paid. That is what attonement is all about. Jesus dies we live. We commit the sin and it get absolved, no punishment.

So if under God's plan/UNDER CHRISTIANITY There is no punishment, then why would rape then be ok?

I expect the answers will disregard the fact that we are disregarding salvation, and be flimsy excuses at best rather than actual answers.

Hey, Moron.. Disregarding salvation makes this whole thing a logical fallacy, and you intellectually dishonest because you know you are leaving out key aspects to the religion and yet levy judgement.

If this does not prove once and for all anyone who ever introduces the concept of hell to a child is no different from a predator, nothing will.

If this was a step too far, just delete it. I'm so disgusted with religious people right now, I can't even separate them from their faith.

Self righteous

Listen, jackass, you've already proven YOU don't know what the fuck is in your own holy book (big surprise) and since it's all down to interpretation anyway, don't act like you've got the fucking truth that no one else does (pot calling the silverware black with the self-righteous libel, classic projection of your own faults as expected). The way people interpret it informs what they do to their children and THAT is the god damn problem, not whether any of it is true or not, so you've missed the point (shocking) entirely and are just making yourself look like a bigger idiot.

The contradictions in the book and lack of clarity and need for subjective interpretation aside, you seem to have had part of your brain removed to miss that it doesn't matter what salvation does, nothing removes that impurity, it's just a mercy extended that we don't deserve, so we're still tainted and have no value, a proposition which makes absolutely no sense (not a logical fallacy, just a typical completely backward iron age myth). So lay a guilt trip on a kid, paint the image of hell in their minds, and keep them feeling worthless because of it, never fucking mind that there's a loophole, that doesn't mean you're worthy, it means there's an undeserved hand being extended and you'll still spend eternity as a lowly worm being trod upon by self-righteous tyrants who need constant colonic irrigations and like to employ human lips for the task.