RE: How not to start a conversation with a skeptic...I think
February 1, 2017 at 10:41 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2017 at 11:04 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(February 1, 2017 at 7:39 pm)Astonished Wrote: And where the fuck was god himself delivering this essential message? If his will is to let crackpots like yourself be his voice, fuck him and the rest of his flock.
Hold up, I thought you knew the bible better than theists, and if that's the case then why don't you know that God DID originally address the people himself and it freaked everyone out so much that they requested that only Moses speak to God, hence why ever since God has only spoke through prophets.
Quote:Exodus 20
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
(February 1, 2017 at 7:39 pm)Astonished Wrote: No loving being leaves something so fucking important so fucking vague, or goes to such an extreme length to exercise justice. That you would even try to justify this makes you a criminal in my eyes.
What's vague about:
Quote:Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
As far as the punishment being extreme, you should also know that all scripture must run in continuity, the flood wasn't some random punishment, there was a reason for it.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. - 1 John 5:8
First thing you must realize is that the natural types the spiritual.
For example:
When a baby is born first the water breaks, then some bleeding, then the baby's first breath (spirit).
In order to enter the kingdom of God, one must be born into it, which requires a person to be baptized (water) have his sins remitted (through the blood of Jesus Christ) and then he receives the holy spirit (represented by fire, e.g. the fire that fell on the people at Pentecost when the received the holy spirit)
How does the flood factor in?
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. - Revelation 21
The earth must be reborn also. That means is must also be born in the same manner.
The flood was it's baptism, then Jesus spilled his blood in it, cleansing it, then will come the fire.
Quote:2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Therefore the flood was the first stage in earth's rebirth, but you knew that already.
