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The sad future of the democratic party
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RE: The sad future of the democratic party
(February 9, 2017 at 11:52 am)Crunchy Wrote: I'm not suggesting that the majority of people voted for Trump because they are racist. I think that is one of the liberal mistakes about the election. 
No, you;'re not, and neither am I, I'm flat out saying that they are, not suggesting that they may be.  Doesn;t have much to do with my being a liberal, since I;m not a liberal by american political parlance nor do I vote for the "liberals".  

Quote:I'm saying that Trump benefited from a long running conservative smear campaign against Obama, the Clintons, politicians in general and the government specifically and that Trump had nothing to do with this. He merely stepped in and benefited from a disinformation strategy.
Sure, he absolutely did.... he also benefitted from the fact that plenty of average americans are racist shitlords.

Quote:My wife and I spent a month in the US just prior to the election (I'm Canadian) on a road trip. I specifically played dumb and asked everyone I ran into about their thoughts. From cab drivers to waiters to gas station attendants to property owners to boat owners to Hotel management  etc.. I ran into lots of average people (the kind who don't post obsessively on the internet Smile ) and here is a sampling of what I heard as they "explained" to me why the system was dirty and needed Trump.

The Clintons are the most corrupt people on earth. (Most common belief I ran into)
"House of Cards" is based on the Clintons and the Clintons have had people killed who oppose them
The Clinton foundation is a money making scam and the Clintons draw money directly from this "charity"
Obama caused the financial meltdown
Obama caused the current massive unemployment
More than 50% of Americans live off welfare and that just can't continue
Obama is the cause of all the current racial tensions in the US
The "liberal" lifestyle is destroying the moral fabric of society
The media is all liberal and are working against the interests of America
Hillary caused Bengazi because she hates America
etc...
They lied to pollsters too....so don;t feel bad.  It's easier to rationalize ones antipathies or apathies if you can manufacture a socially acceptable front for either.  You'll notice that none of those are actually arguments for voting -for- Trump....just not voting for the clintons (or obama..because..IDK, maybe they thought he was running?). They voted for trump....end of. They put his policies in the white house. End of. Nothing they can conjure up, real or imagined, absolves them of their personal responsibility for doing that.

Quote:Almost every single person I ran into believed one or more of the above nonsensical ideas with none of it having to do with racism or sexism. I realize that this is anecdotal, but many polls show frighteningly large numbers of people believing clearly false information like that above. This is what won Trump the election IMO. The populace was primed for an outsider based on a completely false version of reality. Trump did help (and continues to help) in creating these false narratives (like the unemployment rate being around 40%) but Trump did not do this as a strategy while knowing the actual truth. He's not that smart. I think he actually believes the same nonsense that those who voted for him believe.
They also believe that mexicans are criminal takers ruining our country and stealing our jobs....and that someone needs to stand up for the oppressed white male, preferably the christian ones.

Simply calling a racist a racist, or racist policies racist policies has become taboo..and why, because someone thinks it lost someone else an election. Well golly gee.........let;s shut our mouths about it for fear that if we object...the racists might end up running the country or something, lol.
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The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 6, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Whateverist - February 6, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by brewer - February 6, 2017 at 11:25 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Whateverist - February 7, 2017 at 12:27 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by brewer - February 7, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Whateverist - February 7, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Aroura - February 6, 2017 at 8:08 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 6, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 6, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by vorlon13 - February 6, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Divinity - February 6, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by DarkerEnergy - February 6, 2017 at 6:25 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Jackalope - February 6, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Whateverist - February 6, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by vorlon13 - February 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by CapnAwesome - February 7, 2017 at 3:23 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crossless1 - February 7, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by vorlon13 - February 7, 2017 at 12:02 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Whateverist - February 7, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 7, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 7, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 8, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Pat Mustard - February 8, 2017 at 5:36 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 9, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by noname - February 9, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 9, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by vorlon13 - February 8, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by noname - February 8, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 9, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by noname - February 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 9, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Aroura - February 9, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 9, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Aroura - February 9, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Kosh - February 10, 2017 at 4:10 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by DLJ - February 10, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Kosh - February 10, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Aroura - February 10, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 10, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 11, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 11, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by DLJ - February 11, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 9, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2017 at 7:06 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 10, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Pat Mustard - February 13, 2017 at 6:20 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 13, 2017 at 10:32 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Pat Mustard - February 15, 2017 at 7:57 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by DLJ - February 10, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Regina - February 10, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 10, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Regina - February 10, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 10, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 11, 2017 at 12:03 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 11, 2017 at 12:31 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by DLJ - February 11, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 11, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 11, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by vorlon13 - February 11, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Kosh - February 12, 2017 at 11:48 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by ReptilianPeon - February 11, 2017 at 1:44 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 11, 2017 at 3:01 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 11, 2017 at 7:06 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 11, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by SteelCurtain - February 11, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by TaraJo - February 12, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 13, 2017 at 12:05 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 13, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 13, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by dyresand - February 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 16, 2017 at 7:37 pm
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2017 at 11:07 am
RE: The sad future of the democratic party - by Crunchy - February 21, 2017 at 8:05 pm

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