(February 10, 2017 at 6:56 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(February 10, 2017 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote:
So there you go. As you call your religion peace inspiring you call people of the other religions as devil worshipers and that doesn't leave much sympathy toward them and you probably think of them as not much worthy of peace since they worship the devil.
That's not even close to what I said. I said they were influenced by Satan or someone through selfish motivation started those religions. Satan is not going to start a public religion where he is worshiped directly, he is the great deceiver of men, he works behind the scene. There are satanic cults and you do not see them making public displays. I wish all would come to Christ, if I thought the way you posted above then I wouldn't be here, would I.
FM Wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that you might also be deluded? That Christianity’s effort substantially is not different from all the other religions? That is it just one more pyramid reaching for a heaven we can’t see? Don't you think you were raised to believe and have never known anything else?
No to question one. I have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe, that leaves no room for other gods.
Christianity is much different than the other religions of the world. Why do you think it's attacked by all the other religions. It offers a freedom that no other religion has.
Of course l was raised to believe, my parents believed in what tube Bible teaches, I was never forced to believe they knew God would do His work with me and I would someday name a choice. Why should God allow sinful man to see His perfect heaven?
(February 10, 2017 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote:
FM Wrote:Don't you think this is simply your views on the Bible? You know Bible is pretty contradictive? You tell me I don't know the Bible and yet you yourself have a generalized understanding of the moderate version of god, because there are in fact a handful of biblical passages that indicate monetary greed is a virtue.
I know of no teachings of scripture that promotes greed, greed is a dreadful sin it is a sin of the self which divides us from God.
By the way the scriptures do not contradict.
FM Wrote:Here are some passages from the Bible, to whom you claim is against being greedy and having lots of money:
Proverbs (14:20)—"The poor are disliked even by their neighbors, but the rich have many friends."
Tell me where did you get this verse, l'm sure you did not search the Bible for it. Even if you did you were not interested in seeing the truth of the verse, it suited your purpose to cherry pick this verse.
This verse is in no way condoning partiality to the rich nor does it condone pushing the poor to the wayside. If the verse meant what you wanted it to mean then there would be contradiction in the Bible.
First of all the verse is telling us the nature of man and how it's wrong, this can be seen in the other verses in chapter 14. You should have read the whole chapter.
Next, the two verses below it give full meaning to verse 20.
Proverbs 14: 21 He who despises his neighbor sins, but happy is he who is gracious to the poor.
Proverbs 14:22 Will they not go astray who devise evil? But kindness and truth will be to those who devise good.
Verses 20, 21 and 22 says nothing good or bad about the rich, they are speaking about how the poor are wrongfully treated by some people. See how easy it is to mistake a verse if you do not study the scriptures.
FM Wrote:Proverbs (17:8)—"A bribe is a charm to the one who gives it; wherever he turns, he succeeds."
Here is where you have to study not just the Bible but must know the culture of the day but this would even apply today. Solomon wasn't condoning bribery he was making a statement about how the world works. The scriptures condemn this kind of action.
Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man receives a bribe from the bosom (secretly), to pervert the ways of justice.
Exodus 23:8 And you shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and subverts the cause of the just.
Matthew 28:11-15 You can read these verses for yourself, l do not want to write them all down. They are about bribing the soldiers who were at Jesus tomb.
FM Wrote:Ecclesiastes (10:19)—"A feast is made for laughter and wine makes life merry, but money is the answer for everything."
Again you have misread and wrongly interpreted the verse, cherry picking the scriptures can make one look silly. If you had bothered to read chapter 10 you would have seen it's about the foolish nature of man and you may have then understood the verse.
The verse says that a feast brings laughter but soon the feast and laughter are gone and when the wine that made the man merry is gone so is his merriment and when a man throws money at a problem or buys things to satisfy his greed, soon the feeling of enjoyment is gone and so is that money. The scriptures recognizes that we need money to live and it teaches that greed leads men astray and into foolishness.
FM Wrote:So what gets GC? Did you not know of these passages or do you simply pretend they don't exist?
What do you think, did I? I've read and studied the Bible but l do not remember those specific verses, however I do know what the Bible teaches about this subject so it was not hard to show you what those verses were all about.
FM Wrote:We have priests and bishops, like Catholics (whom you say are on the right way) among others that carry golden and bejeweled crosiers and wear silken robes, swinging censers of solid gold and living in manors, preaching in churches whose estimated worth is in that of the hundreds of millions of dollars and clothes and money and they got that from reading Bible.
When pastor Jeremiah Cummings was asked about his money and wealth he simply said "when Jesus was born, they brought him gold. They brought him gold. He was not poor. He wore fine linen." So you see to some people Bible does say to amass large amounts of money.
I do not believe in pastors being paid enormous amounts of money nor do I like seeing huge amounts of money being spent on fancying up a church building, the poor and needy should be served first. I practiced that in the little churches l've belonged to and they had little money. I see great benefits of having very large churches, they can give help where the smaller churches cannot but, I hate to see any church waste money on things that are not necessary.
(February 10, 2017 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote:
FM Wrote:You see it as a personal choice but they see it as the only way to serve Jesus or they'll go to hell, so for them it's not a personal choice.
I'm not sure where you got that from it would help if you explained in detail, l do not know of any such denomination.
(February 10, 2017 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote:
FM Wrote:So you are calling Catholics a cult? They do believe and teaches they are right and all others are cults.
But you're right in one thing the world’s Christians can't even agree on precisely who Jesus is, what he wants them to do, how they are supposed to worship him, and how to get to heaven.
I do not know much about the Catholic church, so I cannot say. I do know a cult has one man or a small group of men that everyone has to answer to and that is not what the Bible teaches.
You must have misunderstood me on something because I've always said the majority of denominations agree on who Jesus is how to worship Him and the path to salvation. It is the cult type churches, which are few, that differ greatly from the rest of the denominations.
(February 10, 2017 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote: the questions you have been asking are basic things most young Christians could answer.
FM Wrote:And yet you can't. For instance when I asked you why would a god need to rely on such a disgusting and primitive act like killing his son (himself) to forgive us and save us from his judgment because we are all guilty of a crime we did not commit. (Adam tasted the fruit not me and you) you said nothing.
I was wondering how long it would take you to get back to this, if this entire discussion has been your attempt to bring this up then as I told you in the earlier post I will not allow you to mock me over this and I'm not the only Christian who has responded to you in this manner in this thread. I understand why, it's why I chose Jesus and you should be grateful God carried out His plan for our salvation no matter what it took.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.