(February 18, 2017 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about the form of berkeleys foundational argument regarding objects and perception. Time simply hasn't been kind to the premises....and in the 250 years since they were offered we have found ways to both deny the premises...and even to accept them and still arrive at a materialist conclusion. Regardless of it's validity, the argument has become uninformative.
Wow... you really do know your stuff I guess I should try and find a book on it, like I did with the Five Ways... as the best way to understand it in the context of then and now. I guess I should do that with all of them really... because unfortunately I'm a perfectionist, so I find it hard to accept a rough understanding of anything... so I end up drilling down too deep and getting lost in the extra work I create for myself. You wouldn't believe what lengths I've gone to in the hope of extracting every bit of meaning from these things... creating a nodal database to represent the hierarchical structure of arguments, mind maps, concept maps used to extract the context of particular paragraphs I didn't understand, right down to the level of grammar and sentence structure. Basically it's kind of OCDish and one of the things that makes me wonder if I am 'Aspergic' My dad said to me 'out of all the philosophy students in the country, I bet you're the only one who's turned it into a software problem ' But I guess I just don't trust it unless I know I understand it, and I can only do that if I can reduce it to a form that totally resonates with me, so that I know there's no hidden assumptions lurking in the wings... which therefore alter the meaning... and therefore, according to the view of knowledge is context, mean that it is not understood.
Anyway, thanks for your info. You never cease to amaze me with your breadth of knowledge So a logically valid argument... if it is... can still be interpreted other ways... it's a wonder anyone can ever agree on truth So hopefully I bring what you've just said to bear in the exam - after thoroughly looking into it I mean - in the same way I think having read that book about the Five Ways goes above and beyond the requirements of the course... so would demonstrate extra-curricular understanding, which is what they want as well.