RE: Milo Yiannopoulos resigns from Breitbart News
March 2, 2017 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2017 at 4:37 pm by Aristocatt.)
(March 2, 2017 at 4:19 pm)Orochi Wrote:(March 2, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: I'd be careful with this one. A fetus is alive at all times. When you talk about the fetus being alive, I think you are really talking about personhood, a philosophical concept about what attributes classify a being as having a certain amount of intrinsic worth.
I could have misunderstood, I'd just hate to see you start telling people that fetuses are not alive when you really were trying to have a discussion about personhood.
Indeed it's always alive but it's not just personhood either .Because even a person would not be permitted to live inside someone against there will . (and no regulated abortion is not the same thing)
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that defining personhood is the pivotal moment of a debate about the legality or morality of abortion. More so, I just wanted to clarify that when people talk informally about a fetus being alive or not, they are really making assertions about personhood. When written, moving fluidly between the two can be fine(although I don't like it very much), but if you just tell your friends "by the way, a fetus isn't always alive", you might find yourself in a not so cordial discussion because of a simple misunderstanding.
Sounds like you are alluding to Judith Thompson's argument on the subject, which is one of my favorite arguments of the 20th century.
Edit:
When I was in college, my first philosophy class was on ethics and morality. One of the first discussions we dove into was the abortion debate, and at the time I was staunchly pro-life. Judith Thompson's argument not only changed my position, but was so interesting and creative, that it got me really interested in the class. The class inspired me to study philosophy more broadly, and I believe has had a huge impact on my life since(including my shift from theist to atheist). If it weren't for the fact that the first discussion of that class had gotten me to change a view point so wildly on a subject I felt so strongly about, I may not have had the same enthusiasm for the class, or philosophy, in the future. Judith Thompson's argument had a bit of a butterfly effect and I can trace it to being a fairly important moment in my life, although I didn't realize it until much later.
Sidenote: After my first philosophy 101 class, I was definitely "that guy" who would talk about philosophy all the time and act all aloof about my super sick arguments and shit.



