(March 12, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Aye, Brian. As Ingersoll noted:
Quote:We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a this year's fact. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "The Gods" (1872)
It's as true for allah shit as jesus shit.
Lets not single out labels here. I am talking about how all religions in human history are merely products of human's flawed perceptions. We reject Allah and Jesus for the same reason we reject Buddha, which while not claimed to be a deity, is still rooted in a past where humans made up answers because they didn't know any better.
Nirvana is as much a superstition as claims of turning water into wine, or dietary superstitions of Jews not eating pork. I really don't say that to be mean to my fellow human beings. Theists certainly are capable of empathy and compassion and outside religion can be accepting of science too. I simply accept that there is no magic behind nature and no holy person or religious club needed to accept that.
They are crappy claims certainly, not because theists are horrible, but because the logic is horrible. Anyone of any religion trying to make truth claims about the nature of reality to me is the same as if they came up to me and said "The New England Patriots beat the Chicago Cubs in the Stanley Cup". I may like that individual as an individual but on claims of religions, nope. I know too much about evolution and the age of our species, and planet and the age of the universe to think that I am special to all this. I certainly find value in life even with all the horrible things, even with the death of my mom now, but cant see myself outside of mental and or health decline ever falling back into or falling for any religion or god claim.
Polytheism, monotheism, new age, even the si fi woo claims that the universe is a giant living thing, it is all crap to me. I see cognition as merely blip and temporary outcome not needing a god or any form of feel good woo.
