Now and before.

[Harry Nevis]

Atlas, nor Muslims or Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists ect ect ect, nobody sees that their arguments ARE NOT different. When the believer, (insert religion here), cant win by directly peddling the holy writings or holy person they follow, they try to debunk science to point to their holy writing/person. When they cant get away with that they try to claim that science matches their holy writing/person. Every religion worldwide has pockets of humans who resort to these tactics. 

My deity is real.
My book says.
My holy writings say.
My holy person says.
My club debunks science.
My club has made scientific discoveries.

There is not one religion in the world who does not have members who make these attempts. Not one.

Funny how no religion in the world can destroy the claims of the others with objectivity and peer review. Arguing a religion is nothing more than apology, an attempt to convince oneself of that to which one has no impartial evidence. Atlas despite all his efforts, has the same problem that GC and CL has, that a Hindu and Buddhist have. Sure you can all accept parts of science, but none of you want to face that science itself has never propped up any religion, because it is a neutral tool, not an apology.

Scientific method does not point to Allah, or Yahweh or Jesus or Vishnu or Apollo. Most humans don't want to face this fact.

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This is the shit Atlas a Muslim, and GC a Christian and even like I said in  prior posts, even Hindus and Buddhists don't want to face. They all point to their histories and individuals who make scientific discoveries. Ask Atlas and he also will point to his book and say it matches science and point to Muslims whom made scientific discoveries.

Newton got physics right sure, but that does not make the Christian god real. Newton also postulated alchemy for a while and that was absolute garbage. Arabs invented algebra so does that make Allah real if Atlas points to that? By this logic the Greek gods are the real gods because the ancient Greeks were the first to coin and use the word "atom". Funny how neither the Christian or Muslim actually believe that the use of the word "atom" back then meant they knew what an electron or proton or neutron were. Fact is when the Greeks coined that word it was simply a word saying "imagine the smallest thing you cant divide". 

The ancient Egyptians thought the sun was controlled by a deity, they could point to a real sun, but that does not mean because they were master engineers in their building and pretty artwork they knew back then what the chemical makeup of the sun was. Newton advancing some things and being right about some things does not make the God of Jesus the one true god, anymore than the Quran talking about the stars means they knew anything about modern science. 

Spend enough time debating Muslims and Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus, you will find plenty in every religion that claim science is their unique discovery and points to their club.

You omitted yourself Brian and the religion of Atheism.  The exception being your stance is anything but God.  

Spend enough time debating Atheists and Agnostics and Non-Deists and Deist fluids, and you will find plenty in every atheistic denomination that claim their science is their unique discovery and points to their club.

Wow, we have denominations now?!