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Now and before.
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RE: Now and before.
(March 15, 2017 at 2:15 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote:
(March 15, 2017 at 1:53 pm)KUSA Wrote: That's a good question. As it pertains to atheism, I am not grounded in my belief at all. I have no belief to ground.

A lot of linguistic semantics around here.  Beliefs.  World view.  Faith. Every known word can have a different meaning depending on context or other inferences and implication.  

If I said white someone would argue that it is not white, merely devoid of color or the opposite of black.

Not semantics at all.

In discussions such as these, it is important to agree on how both parties are defining words ahead of time, or else we talk past each other.

As it is, most atheists define atheism as the absence of belief in gods. If you insist that the atheist uses your definition, then you are not engaged with the atheist in the same conversation. If you can't come to agreement on the definition, then the best thing to do is stop using the word, and discuss the concept.

I define atheist as the absence of belief in gods. But I really don't care if you use that definition or not. It is the CONCEPT that is important.

White is not devoid of color, it is the result of all colors being combined.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Now and before. - by WinterHold - March 12, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Now and before. - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 12, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Now and before. - by vorlon13 - March 12, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Now and before. - by WinterHold - March 12, 2017 at 3:01 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 3:21 pm
RE: Now and before. - by pocaracas - March 12, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 12, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 13, 2017 at 1:03 am
RE: Now and before. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2017 at 4:02 am
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 13, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 13, 2017 at 4:36 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 13, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 13, 2017 at 4:58 am
RE: Now and before. - by Cyberman - March 13, 2017 at 6:23 am
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 14, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 14, 2017 at 1:08 am
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 14, 2017 at 11:05 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 14, 2017 at 11:43 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 15, 2017 at 12:14 am
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 15, 2017 at 12:47 am
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 15, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Now and before. - by Nonpareil - March 15, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: Now and before. - by pocaracas - March 15, 2017 at 6:58 am
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 14, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Now and before. - by Godschild - March 14, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 14, 2017 at 12:28 pm
RE: Now and before. - by pocaracas - March 13, 2017 at 5:09 am
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 13, 2017 at 10:05 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 13, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 12, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Now and before. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 12, 2017 at 1:03 pm
RE: Now and before. - by pocaracas - March 12, 2017 at 1:06 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 12, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: Now and before. - by brewer - March 12, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 3:39 pm
Now and before. - by KUSA - March 12, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 6:42 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 12, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Now and before. - by SuperSentient - March 12, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 13, 2017 at 7:56 am
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 9:29 am
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 15, 2017 at 10:44 am
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 10:55 am
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 15, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 15, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 3:23 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Harry Nevis - March 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Now and before. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 12, 2017 at 9:35 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Angrboda - March 13, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Now and before. - by Cyberman - March 13, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 10:31 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Cyberman - March 14, 2017 at 8:31 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 14, 2017 at 9:05 am
RE: Now and before. - by Minimalist - March 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 14, 2017 at 12:40 pm
RE: Now and before. - by masterofpuppets - March 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Now and before. - by masterofpuppets - March 15, 2017 at 12:29 am
RE: Now and before. - by WinterHold - March 15, 2017 at 2:55 am
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 6:16 am
RE: Now and before. - by TubbyTubby - March 15, 2017 at 6:44 am
Now and before. - by KUSA - March 15, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Now and before. - by KUSA - March 15, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Simon Moon - March 15, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: Now and before. - by PETE_ROSE - March 15, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 2:45 pm
RE: Now and before. - by Simon Moon - March 15, 2017 at 3:33 pm

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