What is logic?

[Little Rik]

NDEs experience are the evidence.

Actually, they are evidence of altered biological functions of the brain.
Here is an article worth reading: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ear-death/
Here is a study: http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sci...all%3Dtrue
And here is an interesting study that concludes out of the body experiences can be triggered artificially by stimulating the right temporoparietal junction: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1...8404270885
What scientific evidence tells us here is that NDEs are biological phenomena, not the immaterial breath of God.

We already went through all this Atheo and guess what?
It is all about guessing.
Guessing, guessing and more guessing nothing that produce real evidence.
Obviously the physical science has no way to understand what is not physical such as the abstract consciousness.
Did anybody ever explain to you what is the difference between something physical and something abstract?
Well if not now is the time for you to find out.  

Facts are facts.

I agree.

If you agree then why you bring those links that only talk about guessing and not facts?  

If instead you guys keep on believing that the consciousness is a product of the brain and with the physical death is all over then you will never be able to sort out how the whole system works

Uh, yes we will, just like we explain all biological systems we study, the brain and consciousness is no different. 

Wrong once again Atheo.
The consciousness is not something that the physical science is able to understand.
It has nothing to do with biology.

I guess you never thought about that Atheo, did you?  

Well, well Atheo.
Suppose that science discover that.
After sometime the science discover that what was discovered in the past was not true and then again and again the latest science discover something else.
Shell I follow the latest discovering all the time?

You should conform your beliefs to the evidence concluded from scientific studies. Science depends on confirming knowledge and discovery.

The old saying...........Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's........

Get it Atheo?
I certainly follow what physical science bring as evidence but consciousness is not in the field of physical science that is why it can not understand what is outside her limitations.  

Magic.
Like pulling rabbits out the magician hat?

Any event or phenomena not corresponding to the laws of physics.

That is interesting Atheo.
Consciousness is 100% outside the law of physic yet is something real.
Try not to use your consciousness now that you read or write something and see if you can understand anything that is why I just said what Jesus said 2000 years ago...........Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's......

It seems that the time goes by but some people never wake up to the reality.  

No Atheo.
It took millions of years to build up the consciousness that we got.
That is not magic.
That is very hard work.
Life teach us that it is through hard work that we achieve something and this is not magic.
Are rather atheists that believe in magic by thinking that the consciousness is a product of the brain not me.  

Consciousness being the product of the brain would mean it is explainable by biological phenomena and the laws of physics, not anything near magic.

The thing Atheo is that the consciousness IS NOT a product of the brain that is why biology is unable to explain it.  

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Little Rik, God has blessed you with reasoning and much knowledge.

You and I should have a discussion about God and the path he has established for us and wants us to follow!

True, if you define "reason" and "knowledge" as totally unrecognizable things.

Gee, how lucky I am to find an expert in reason and knowledge.  

Please Harry help LR to understand.  

If the brain can create the consciousness according to atheism also a vehicle can create a driver.
Is that true?  

Please Harry don't let LR in the lurch.  

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What evidence is there to support what they experience as bliss is permanent?

What about changing people lives.
What about turning a tough atheists into a strong believer.

I guess you never thought about that Harry, did you?  

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Fail again Yog.




Thousand of NDEs experiencers clearly witness this state of permanent bliss among all those who
were already there (in heaven so to speak) and of course they experience themselves this state until they were brought back into their bodies.
That is the very reason why these people who experience that state of bliss were brought back into their bodies against their wishes.
Why would you live into a body with all the many troubles that concern when you can live free from your body into a permanent state of bliss?

Typical little rik.  All sorts of guessing and no facts in evidence.  This is all just baseless speculation.

Facts yog not speculations.
It is a fact that a dead brain is unable to come up with anything at all especially an experience that is clear, sharp and vivid therefore only a consciousness that separate from a dead body-brain can do this.

Why you enjoy bang your head on the wall again and again?
Masochism is bad for you yog.
Think about it girl.