Shots fired outside the houses of Parliament.

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Mine is an ideal world in which no death is justified. Of course I have to make compromises when worlds collide. That saddens me, but I'm realist enough to understand that not everyone thinks like I do and accept that I can't change the fact.

That's a really interesting comment. I've been asking about muslim immigration to europe for years. In the past, I wasn't called a bigot for doing so. Lefty atheists acknowledged that there was much about the mindsets of many in middle eastern muslim countries that they were against. They didn't hide behind stereotyping arguments. Their reasoning in supporting immigration was that the secular west is a better way of life, and immigrants would see that and assimilate. Now I'm not getting that argument.

The reason that Muslims are being radicalised is because of the continuing plundering of Muslim countries by the west, mainly the USA.

This was the reason given by Bin Laden for his actions.

Maybe if you'd not meddled years ago these things wouldn't have happened they way they did, that goes for the UK as well we are not blameless.

But what you see now are a lot of aggrieved muslims.

And you can see the same mindset in Americans, the funding of terrorist groups by Irish Americans is well documented.

Their country was being oppressed in their eyes and they supported the terrorists. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.