RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 28, 2017 at 8:29 am
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2017 at 8:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If we're going to go with the fine tuning argument, might as well ask why gods such a shitty fine tuner. Take the cosmological constant, for example. If god had fine tuned it for life, it would have been ever so slightly negative. We don't know exactly what it is..but we know that it's ever so slightly positive...repulsing, thus inhibiting the formation of galaxies.
Despite your beliefs, Steve, the constants could have been altered to -better- allow for life. Fundamentally, there are infinite "values" of the constants amenable to life, even if the difference between those values seems minuscule. Say that some constant x must be between 1 and -1 for life to exist. Then it could be anything between .999999999999(etc) and -.99999999999999(etc).
More fundamentally, it's unclear why there would -need- to be constants or natural values to a universe created by god magic in the first place. Why do we find ourselves on a naturally amenable planet in a naturally amenable solar system (one of few, so far as we can tell)...rather than living and breathing as we are, in the middle of a neutron star?
Our fragility and our dependencies point to limitations on our supposed "creator". Were there no other options for god? Did he have to make us (and all of this) this way or it wouldn't work? Then there is no need or function -for- god magic.
God, the incompetent fine tuner with limited choices fully encompassed and constrained by natural law. Good job.
Despite your beliefs, Steve, the constants could have been altered to -better- allow for life. Fundamentally, there are infinite "values" of the constants amenable to life, even if the difference between those values seems minuscule. Say that some constant x must be between 1 and -1 for life to exist. Then it could be anything between .999999999999(etc) and -.99999999999999(etc).
More fundamentally, it's unclear why there would -need- to be constants or natural values to a universe created by god magic in the first place. Why do we find ourselves on a naturally amenable planet in a naturally amenable solar system (one of few, so far as we can tell)...rather than living and breathing as we are, in the middle of a neutron star?
Our fragility and our dependencies point to limitations on our supposed "creator". Were there no other options for god? Did he have to make us (and all of this) this way or it wouldn't work? Then there is no need or function -for- god magic.
God, the incompetent fine tuner with limited choices fully encompassed and constrained by natural law. Good job.
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