(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 11:38 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: This is nothing but religious dogma. As noted throughout this thread, you have no evidence that the pineal gland has anything to do with consciousness. That's just pseudoscientific bullshit. There aren't enough nerves innervating the pineal gland to support the input and output of information necessary to support control of the body and other nervous functions. The nerves in the pineal gland flow one direction: from the brain to the gland. That's not sufficient to support all the things that the brain does for consciousness. That's literally zero nerves for that function. So once again you've been shown biologically wrong with your dogma about the pineal gland. There aren't enough nerves going to the pineal gland and the ones that do are the wrong kind. Your idea is simply a miserable failure when it comes to the supposed location of consciousness.
1) The fact that the consciousness is something abstract has nothing to do with religions.
Like most atheists you are obsessed with religions.
Every time you don't agree with something you blame on religions.
This is being dicks.
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" You can call your yoga a spirituality all you like, the fact is that it is a religion just like any other.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) There is enough LOGIC to draw conclusions that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness.
It is located at the very top of the spinal cord and it is located right in the middle of the brain.
All other glands are lower and preside more physical functions.
This is nothing but magical thinking. The glands don't have shit to do with anything. Where the pineal gland lies has fuckall to do with its function. As noted, it doesn't have the necessary nerves to communicate with the rest of the brain. So your notion that it being at the top of the spinal cord means anything is just a form of sympathetic magic, it's "like this" therefore it functions "like this." It isn't logic, it's pure rubbish.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: But the most important evidence is that by practicing yoga meditation you feel where the consciousness
lie and that place is right in the middle of the brain where the pineal gland is.
Evidence. *snort* Everybody "feels" their consciousness to lie somewhere inside their head. The eyes that see are on the face, and the mouth that talks is as well, and the ears that hear are on the side, so it makes sense to visualize their controller as being inside the head. All that shows is that we are tied to our senses. It doesn't show that consciousness itself is physically located in a particular spot. As noted, this "spot" where you claim consciousness resides simply doesn't have the right kind of nerves for it to support consciousness there.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) All the bullshit about the nerves show how stupid you are.
You talk and talk about nerves connections and the brain as if the brain would have any say in how the consciousness works.
The brain is something physical yog while the consciousness is not.
Consciousness is the boss not the other way around so it is totally irrelevant what the brain can or can not do or the connections to or from.
When you enter your car you are not connected with wiring to the car and yet you are able to tell the car
what to do or where to go.
Without a gas pedal, brake, steering wheel, and ignition switch, you aren't going anywhere in your car. These are like the nerves in the brain, they carry the information needed to tell the car (your body) what to do. The only problem? The pineal gland has none of these nerves that tell the body what to do. It only has nerves to be told what to do. Consciousness directs; it isn't simply told what to do, so you are wrong.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nerves are there, connections are there but to understand how the system works you only have to realize that the consciousness is the one who direct the show not the brain.
The brain is like a computer that got so many information but the one who decide what to do or how to use these information is not the computer.
It is you and so the one who decide what to do in a human is the consciousness not the brain.
More nonsensical assertions.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 10:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: We can not see, smell or touch the consciousness but it exist.
I did show you that the consciousness may get affected when the pineal gland get calcified.
Quote:You showed nothing of the sort. Alzheimer's disease affects the whole brain. Showing that one part of the brain is affected by Alzheimer's gets you nothing. It's a correlation, nothing more.
FOOL.
You say that you believe in science but when this science show that you are wrong you don't believe in science anymore.
I did show you a scientific study about the calcification of the pineal gland and how it affect the person
and yet this scientific study is not science to you.
Your study showed that Alzheimer's patients show more calcification of the pineal gland. It didn't show that Alzheimer's was the effect of the pineal calcification, nor that the behavioral deficits shown in Alzheimer's was caused by the calcification. If you can't understand that simple point, then you don't understand scientific findings and you've got fuckall business quoting studies. Your study did not show "how it affect the person" at all. So your claim that it did is bullshit.
Wikipedia Wrote:In statistics, many statistical tests calculate correlations between variables and when two variables are found to be correlated, it is tempting to assume that this shows that one variable causes the other. That "correlation proves causation," is considered a questionable cause logical fallacy when two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship. This fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "with this, therefore because of this," and "false cause."(emphasis mine)
You're guilty of a fallacy for attributing cause to the correlation between calcification and Alzheimer's.
That means your thinking on the matter is NOT LOGICAL.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 10:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: As soon as I did you come down with all the bullshit about the nerves.
This clearly show that you didn't get it.
Quote:I came down with all these facts about the nerves because it clearly demonstrated that you were talking bullshit. And you still are.
Wrong again yog.
The nerves whichever they are they still are connections.
They have no saying in what the consciousness decide to do.
They are like the wiring in your car.
They have no saying in deciding how the vehicle should or shouldn't go so by giving so much importance to the nerves you clearly show that you are in the fairy land.
Debunked above. The only person in fairy land is the one who think a car can go without gas pedal, brake, and steering wheel.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: Science slowly slowly is getting there.
There was a time where the atom was the smallest thing but later on they discovered that protons, neutrons and electrons are even smallest but the study goes on and more information come to light all the time.
This universe is balanced by the positive and the negative in all aspect of life and these tiny particles
that compose the universe are therefore positive or negative.
You may or may not see these tiny form of existence but they are there for sure or this universe wouldn't exist so by our own attitude we attract these positive or negative form of life that eventually will make us sick or happy and healty.
More of Sarkar's nonsense, swallowed whole without critical thought by an idiot. We may not see them because they don't exist. Duh.
(March 31, 2017 at 8:05 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 10:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yoga is all about to make sure that the consciousness is activated all the time and live in an healthy place called pineal gland.
Quote:More religious dogma that is without a scrap of evidence. Bare assertions of "how things are" don't count for shit. Anybody can make a bunch of assertions.
Wrong again yog.
For the last seven thousand years smart people experienced bliss and that even before religions existed
so religions have nothing to do with bliss or consciousness.
Well, well. Aren't we just full of dogma today? Your Ananda Marga bullshit about the difference between 'spirituality' and 'religion' is just that, bullshit. You don't know dick about what people were doing seven thousand years ago. It's just more dogma.