(April 2, 2017 at 4:12 am)Little Rik Wrote:(April 1, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: This is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. It's a known fact that impulses from your nerves to your muscles causes them to contract. They don't just magically contract when consciousness wills it, otherwise there would be no paralysis when you cut the nerves. So consciousness has to connect with the nerves someplace or it wouldn't be able to command the muscles in the body. You're so stupendously wrong here that it's stunning.
I saw a grasshopper that continue to jump around for few more minutes after her head was chopped off.
No brain and no consciousness was there yet her body continue to move.
The nerves only need to be connected to the brain not to the consciousness but even if the grasshopper
did not have anymore connection with the brain her body continue to move.
That is pretty bizarre yog.![]()
As you don't need to be connected to any wiring when you drive your car also the consciousness doesn't need to be connected to the nerves.
Of course there is a connection between the consciousness and the brain but that is not via nerves.
It is impossible to connect matter as the brain with an abstract entity such as the consciousness via physical means.
An abstract entity does not have any point of entrance for the nerves to enter.
None of whatsoever but the brain does that is why the nerves are connected to the brain and not to the consciousness.
It is then the brain job to get a connection with the consciousness other than a physical connection.
Your dogma yog is that you think that everything must operate in physical terms alone.
Dualist mumbo jumbo without a shred of evidence. By the way, the brain is made up of nerves, dumbass.
My 'dogma' is to go where the evidence lies, and it lies in the direction of us living in a physical world with physical effects. Your claim that consciousness is an abstract is nothing more than the claim that it is nonphysical in different words. You're just talking in a circle. And all you're doing is asserting things without evidence.
Consciousness is a product of the brain. Once you get past your dogma which has no evidence to support it, that's where the evidence lies. I've posted the evidence several times, and you've denied it, but not explained why it's not evidence. The real reason is because you can't explain the evidence.
Quote:I quote here from The Case Against Immortality, by Keith Augustine.
(F1) The evolution of species demonstrates that development of the brain obtains a corresponding mental development.
“First, phylogenetic evidence refers to the evolutionary relationship between the complexity of the brain and a species’ cognitive traits (Beyerstein 45). Corliss Lamont sums up this evidence: “We find that the greater the size of the brain and its cerebral cortex in relation to the animal body and the greater their complexity, the higher and more versatile the form of life” (Lamont 63).”
(F2) The same principle is demonstrated by brain growth in individual organisms.
“Secondly, the developmental evidence for mind-brain dependence is that mental abilities emerge with the development of the brain; failure in brain development prevents mental development (Beyerstein 45).
(F3) Brain damage destroys mental capacities.
“Third, clinical evidence consists of cases of brain damage that result from accidents, toxins, diseases, and malnutrition that often result in irreversible losses of mental functioning (45). If the mind could exist independently of the brain, why couldn’t the mind compensate for lost faculties when brain cells die after brain damage? (46).”
(F4) Experiments and measurements on the brain (EEG, stimulation of various areas) indicate a correspondence between brain activity and mental activity.
“Fourth, the strongest empirical evidence for mind-brain dependence is derived from experiments in neuroscience. Mental states are correlated with brain states; electrical or chemical stimulation of the human brain invokes perceptions, memories, desires, and other mental states (45).”
(F5) The effects of drugs show correspondence between brain activity and mental activity.
“Finally, the experiential evidence for mind-brain dependence consists of the effects of several different types of drugs which predictably affect mental states (45).”
http://www.strongatheism.net/library/ath...ind_brain/
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