The false self and our knowledge of it's deception proves God.

[Mystic]

We didn't argue with arguments that we don't know how it's possible, therefore it's not.  So please don't bring back the claim is on us. We have brought various angles and proofs showing why God is needed.

Ok, which posts should I examine to see if this is so? Post numbers please.

Otherwise, by default, it seems logically possible for values to originate from within.

Here is one thread with objective morality (same argument can apply as well that morality and value are interlinked):

https://atheistforums.org/thread-41776.html

Here is where I went through a serious investigation and crisis of faith: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15323-p...#pid355134  if you read the conversation, they will show why I was in a crisis when I was an Agnostic. I suggest to read that thread if not anything else. It was a discussion where I really wished there could be meaning because at that time I was in crisis of disbelief.

This thread was made after clarity and guidance and there is a good conversation: https://atheistforums.org/thread-40867.html

There is this thread: https://atheistforums.org/thread-40783.h...ight=value

Many more.