RE: What is logic?
April 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm by emjay.)
(April 14, 2017 at 7:26 am)Little Rik Wrote:(April 13, 2017 at 4:18 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: So your "logic" is that because temporary actions don't lead to permanent gratification, there is a need for spirituality? Not only is that logic completely flawed, it provides no evidence for the need of anything spiritual. It only provides evidence for the passage of time. Plenty of people find happiness in life without ever taking spirituality, or lack thereof, into account. I'm pretty happy with my life, I'm not at all a spiritual person.
Plenty of people are, however, unhappy. This isn't due to a lack of spirituality, hell I know plenty of spiritual people who I would say are fucking miserable. People are usually unhappy in life because they don't treat themselves with respect or consideration. Most people would rather sit in front of a TV all day than work out or read a book. I'm guilty of it too. But laziness leads to unhappiness. Not a lack of spirituality.
You're jumping more gaps than Mario and Luigi.
We live in a physical world. Not a spiritual world. What planet do you live on?
So I'll ask again, what is your proof of a need for spirituality?
Is a pity that you do not know the difference between temporary happy and permanent happy.
If people would be permanent happy and in peace with themselves then they wouldn't go back to the same acts that previously made them happy for a short time of course.
To be permanent happy is ingrained in the human mind.
People will keep on looking and looking until they find permanent peace of mind.
There is no question about it.
People that say that they are happy as they are without engage in that exercise that lead to permanent
peace of mind such as the spirituality are fooling themselves.
I am not saying that they are lying.
They usually think in that way in good faith but deep within their consciousness say otherwise
and the evidence is that these people keep on looking and looking around and around for peace of mind.
Here is a small quiz-test that may help you to understand my point.
1) After struggling to buy your new car do you feel frustrated to see that you could have bought the same car a lot cheaper elsewhere?
2) Do you feel frustrated to see that a new model of car just came out with more features for the same price?
3) Do you feel frustrated to see that the grass in your neighbor garden is greener?
4) Suppose you are married.
When you see someone who look younger and more attractive than your partner do you feel like you
would rather make love with that person that look better?
If that doesn't apply to you then you are a super person.
I could go on and on with these test because physical-material-mental life always offer us something better.
In this way is next to impossible to find peace of mind.
Now tell me that you are happy as you are without engaging in spirituality.
In this case you are a super super super human being.
Good on you Ace.
You are a champion.
I would say a rarity.
Maybe you come from a different planet or universe or dimension.
You certainly are not from planet earth.
See, I agree with your logic here but I see no need to call it 'spirituality' just psychology. Realising that everything is impermanent/transient, and therefore chasing it is ultimately pointless and will lead to inevitable loss (ie suffering), leads to one logical conclusion that attachment (to these impermanent things) is the cause of suffering, and therefore the solution that eliminating attachment, eliminates suffering. I just see that as a psychological theory that makes logical sense, but nowhere does it need to be called 'spiritual' for it to be put into practice in life. All it needs is mindfulness and awareness. So if I were to go into it fully, I don't ultimately see what difference would be between you and me... both striving for non-attachment but with you believing in an afterlife/reincarnation and me not. If that full state of non-attachment was reached, then if true, eternal life would just be a continuation of the state we had reached... which, being non-attachment, would be just a state of peace without want. So what I'm saying is if we got that far, there's not much difference between ceasing to exist and living on in a perpetual state of not giving a fuck about anything
