RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 17, 2017 at 6:09 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2017 at 6:27 am by Little Rik.)
(April 16, 2017 at 10:18 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 16, 2017 at 9:50 am)Cyberman Wrote: No, you show evidence that the "I or consciousness" SURVIVES "when the body-brain die [sic]". That's the claim on the table, the claim that you and only you are making.
Unfortunately most humans don't understand what causes them to think a after life exists. Even Hindus and Buddhists think of reincarnation as a "forever". What is really going on is purely mental. It is a false perception reflecting our evolutionary drive to move forward and continue. It is a false perception. Really no different than a dog confusing it's own reflection in the mirror as being another separate dog.
Most humans simply don't understand they are finite and the only place we really live on is in the memories of those whom survive us. But we are still finite, and while certainly unique as individuals, we really are nothing more than our brains in motion, very unique fingerprints sure, but still nothing more than physical mass and fuel in motion.
Reality isn't romantic enough for most humans. Reality isn't romantic or sexy, but it is reality, and by accepting that you can understand the world better.
Enjoy Brian and keep on believing that humans are finite.
Unfortunately the gates of the corral of dogmas are still closed for you.
(April 17, 2017 at 1:46 am)AceBoogie Wrote: I enjoy the argument that if there is a god, it is almost certainly not the god of the Bible or Quran. The inconsistencies, contradictions, logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies contained in most holy books are reason enough for us to begin to realize that if there is an intelligent creator, it is almost certainly not one depicted by any group of humans, no matter how holy or sacred they claim themselves or their doctrines to be.
And even then, why god? Where does the idea of god come from? Out of thin air? No. It is quite clearly a psychological projection that came from humans who knew almost nothing about how the world, sun, stars and moon work. We still don't know everything, but we now have science to help us understand the world around us. All they had before was some psychological manifestation of themselves to look to for an explanation. I know my fellow AFers who identify themselves as Christians love these types of bullet point arguments, as they use them all the time. It goes like this...
1. I am a sentient being living on this earth
2. I have the ability to create and design things
3. I have no knowledge of how we as humans arrived here on Earth, I also have no knowledge of how the Earth and all that composes it came to be
4. There must be a sentient being like me that put everything and all of us here
It makes sense to me that "god," even for modern day theists, is just some subconscious manifestation of some higher version of "you." Like a psychological archetype. This is especially interesting to consider when you put it in the context of people claiming to have experiences where they "feel god." And uninformed humans have just been riding with this idea for centuries.
So even if there is any argument for a deist god, it simply comes from lack of knowledge of the origins of Earth and/or the Universe.
Well, well Ace.
You seem to know about the origins of the universe.
Please go ahead and tell us about these origins.
And please tell us also which one came first.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space.
(April 16, 2017 at 7:46 am)emjay Wrote: @Rik. As Lucanus said, if that's the case, how do you explain how brain damage etc effects consciousness?
Been there done that Em.
If you look in the .......What is logic?.....thread at page 22 you will find my answer.