RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 20, 2017 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2017 at 9:43 am by Little Rik.)
(April 19, 2017 at 8:18 am)Khemikal Wrote:(April 19, 2017 at 6:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: Most people who had an NDE could see their bodies lie or in the casualty of the hospital or where some accident took place that clearly means that the consciousness separate from the body-brain besideHardly. I can see myself in dreams as well, doing all sorts of strange shit, and even in the third person. Creating a third person perspective of ourselves and our environment is well within the means of our waking or sleeping mind..and, apparently..can happen before, during or after an nde.
Quote:a brain in trouble can not possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid that is remembered after years and years that took place.-that ought to make you suspicious of nde accounts, if you think it's true..actually. How -could- a brain in trouble possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid? Is what's remembered years later actually what happened?
Hmm, a bit of confusion in your post.
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I am the one who said........How CAN a brain in trouble possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid that is remembered after years and years.
The brain can not possibly create that experience.
Therefore it is the consciousness.
Is that more clear now?
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(April 19, 2017 at 9:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: The bullshit term "NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE" gives it away, "NEAR" not beyond the window. That isn't after permanent death, thus the word "NEAR". Nobody survives death after that window has closed. If you survive you still had enough in you to come back.
I agree that is a bullshit name or term but for different reasons.
I do not know who gave this name to these experiences.
I personally would have given a different name.
So instead of saying NDEs I would have said......DAREs (Death And Resurrect Experiences).
In this way folks wouldn't wrongly think that the chap never really died.
Quote:NDE's are simply humans false perceptions of their natural brain activity. The brain goes through a shutdown and sometimes you can come out of that shutdown, but after the window has closed BEYOND repair you don't come back.
Under normal circumstances you are correct but these experiences are not normal.
God give these experiences for a valid reason so when there is God intervention the normal goes
down the window to let the supernatural to replace the normal.
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Quote:Hallucinations are your brain dumping out your files due to heavy medication and or hypoxia and that sensation can feel very real, but it is still nothing more than your hallucination. If you spent a lifetime being told bullshit claims of souls and spirits and afterlife, your hallucinations are going to reflect the lives you interacted with, your memories and mix with the fairy tales you swallowed in that time.
Sure but you are talking about hallucinations given away from a brain in trouble.
They have nothing to do with NDEs which are spiritual experiences felt by the consciousness.
Quote:If you are raised Hindu or Sikh in India have a NDE in India your "experience" will involve India's superstitions and social norms and will involve your family members and friends who buy into that superstition too. If you are born in Saudi Arabia and raised Sunni Muslim and have a NDE, again, your false perception of a hallucination will involve the superstitions and beliefs of Muslims. If you are born in Tibet and raised Buddhist, and have a "NDE" again, same thing, your false perception will involve your memories of family friends and the superstitions they buy into.
Wrong again Brian.
Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus never engaged in teaching dogmas so by experiencing these teachers
people who had an NDE never got involved in superstitions.
If however they would have experienced religious superstitions then they would have but that is not the case as you can see from the many NDEs experiences.
Quote:BUT none of that is real. It is no different than if really want to believe the covered olives in the dark kitchen on Halloween night are really eyeballs, you will believe it.
Many ex atheists thought in the same way before their NDE.
Now they not only shut up but most of them even teach God to non believers.
Isn't that bizarre Brian?
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