RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
July 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm by fr0d0.)
(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote:D/l'ded this time(July 13, 2011 at 3:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Strange I posted a reply to this 8 hours ago. Shegone!
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(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote:hmm yeah doesn't seem clear. Misplaced trust perhaps, leading to faith held on false premise. Howzat?fr0d0 Wrote:I would call that misplaced faith. Belief is based on false premise in those cases.So what belief wouldn't you consider faith? It seems to me that you're just using belief and faith as synonyms... What is the difference?
I believe though faith. Faith built on trust. yadayadayada...
(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote: Frankly I couldn't care less, it has nothing to do with an argument for the truth of the claimThe truth for me is in the validity of any premise. Productivity, the result of positivity trumps everything. Even though everything might be drawn to neutrality.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote: How exactly is your belief in God 'productive'?If it's positive then positivity usually produces rather than destroys.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote: Would you say that people who pray to be healed are more likely to be healed?You cannot know what the answer would be, so to assume a "yes" answer would be to assume that God would always want to heal, when we can clearly prove that he does not.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm)theVOID Wrote: You consistently raise this "material POV' line, what exactly is it you mean by this?Our modern [material] worldview is informed by science, I would suggest, as we are saturated with scientific knowledge > that directs our thinking in that direction. This is a relatively recent occurance, where the primary language of the metaphysical references we refer to are authored by cultures without that bias.
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The existence of God is his essence.