Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: January 21, 2025, 5:27 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Paul's 500 witnesses.
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses.
(May 9, 2017 at 6:27 am)alpha male Wrote: [quote='Simon Moon' pid='1550054' dateline='1494271105']
Here's the problems with this statement.

Allegedly there is this god that wants to have a relationship with me. Yet, he created me with a mind that is unable to accept claims without those claims meeting their burden of proof, which include being falsifiable.

Quote:If you desire to follow him, he can work with you on the belief.

Your claims create even more problems.

Here are just a few:

If the Bible is an accurate representation of Yahweh, even if he did exist, I'd want nothing to do with him.

He condones and creates rules for slavery, including: who I can own, that I can pass them down to my children as property, it's okay to beat them as long as they don't die in a couple of days, how to sell my daughter into sex slavery.

He rewards beliefs and not deeds.

Although he has the power to simply forgive humanity for original sin, he had to set up the most baroque situation, where he came to earth in physical form, in order to sacrifice himself, to himself, in order to create a loophole for his own rules.

And a further list of things only the gullible and credulous could believe.

Quote:It also seems that this god, in his attempt to communicate what is the 'most important message ever', would want to assure that it would be communicated in such a way as not to be opened to interpretation, translation errors, copy errors, contradiction, etc.

Quote:The Bible itself addresses this. There's value in the searching itself. In some cases it's also a matter of judgment. But again, God works with those who desire to follow him.

But the problem is, this search can and does lead to the situation where many searchers get it so wrong, that they will end up in hell. Do you believe that every person who claims to be a Christian, no matter how much their beliefs differ from yours, will get into heaven?

Not to mention, I was a sincere searcher for many years. Yahweh never said a word.

Quote:Also note that God gives over some people to their rejection during their lifetime. He isn't striving with every person up to the moment they die.

Nice bit of fan fiction there.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 30, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Anomalocaris - April 30, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 30, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Anomalocaris - May 1, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 1, 2017 at 12:05 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Anomalocaris - May 1, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by The Valkyrie - May 8, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by chimp3 - April 30, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - April 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Drich - April 30, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - April 30, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Drich - May 1, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by RoadRunner79 - May 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Drich - May 1, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 1, 2017 at 6:29 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Pat Mustard - May 1, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Anomalocaris - May 1, 2017 at 10:34 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Pat Mustard - May 2, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Harry Nevis - May 1, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 1, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - April 30, 2017 at 12:28 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - April 30, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Pat Mustard - April 30, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - April 30, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 30, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 30, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 1, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Pat Mustard - May 1, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Cecelia - May 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Amarok - April 30, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by downbeatplumb - May 1, 2017 at 6:04 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 1, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Mister Agenda - May 1, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Crossless1 - May 1, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 1, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Cecelia - May 1, 2017 at 5:18 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 1, 2017 at 9:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 1, 2017 at 9:58 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Rev. Rye - May 1, 2017 at 10:34 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 2, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 7, 2017 at 1:06 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 7, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Grandizer - May 7, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 7, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 7, 2017 at 4:02 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 7, 2017 at 5:27 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 7, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 8, 2017 at 8:51 am
Paul's 500 witnesses. - by KUSA - May 7, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 7, 2017 at 3:52 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Grandizer - May 7, 2017 at 3:56 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2017 at 5:57 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Silver - May 10, 2017 at 6:07 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 7, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 7, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Grandizer - May 7, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 7, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 7, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 7, 2017 at 3:35 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Harry Nevis - May 8, 2017 at 2:04 pm
Paul's 500 witnesses. - by KUSA - May 7, 2017 at 5:09 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Grandizer - May 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 7, 2017 at 5:13 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 7, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 8, 2017 at 8:21 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 8, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 8, 2017 at 9:59 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 8, 2017 at 1:06 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 8, 2017 at 2:10 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Grandizer - May 8, 2017 at 12:14 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 8, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 8, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 7, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 7, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 7, 2017 at 11:15 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 8, 2017 at 1:31 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 8, 2017 at 2:04 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 8, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 8, 2017 at 2:21 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 9, 2017 at 6:27 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 9, 2017 at 6:33 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Simon Moon - May 9, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 10, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Harry Nevis - May 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 10, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 9, 2017 at 6:34 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 9, 2017 at 7:57 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 9, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 9, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by John V - May 9, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 9, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Harry Nevis - May 10, 2017 at 10:27 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2017 at 1:58 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 9, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Harry Nevis - May 9, 2017 at 9:19 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 8, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Cecelia - May 8, 2017 at 4:57 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 8, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Amarok - May 8, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 8, 2017 at 7:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 9, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 9, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Amarok - May 9, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 9, 2017 at 8:02 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Silver - May 9, 2017 at 8:05 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by The Valkyrie - May 9, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 9, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by The Valkyrie - May 9, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Jehanne - May 9, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by The Valkyrie - May 9, 2017 at 9:25 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 9, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 9, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 10, 2017 at 1:02 am
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 10, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Brian37 - May 10, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 10, 2017 at 9:29 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by vorlon13 - May 10, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Silver - May 10, 2017 at 6:18 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by The Valkyrie - May 10, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: Paul's 500 witnesses. - by Minimalist - May 14, 2017 at 4:39 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Why are Paul's writings in the Bible? Fake Messiah 122 12094 October 8, 2023 at 11:28 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The 500 & Common Sense. Jehanne 53 5883 June 29, 2021 at 3:20 pm
Last Post: Astreja
  Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought SteveII 232 24185 August 6, 2018 at 2:29 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Dating Paul's Writings JairCrawford 33 4236 July 30, 2018 at 7:19 am
Last Post: Jehanne
  Paul's "persecution" of the early Christians? Jehanne 134 19993 February 22, 2018 at 8:13 pm
Last Post: Wyrd of Gawd
  Saint Paul and temporal lobe epilepsy. Jehanne 1 1382 July 17, 2016 at 2:52 pm
Last Post: RobertE
Question Paul reshaping the church Aractus 58 12639 April 2, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Last Post: Aractus
  Jehovah's Witnesses 'did not report 1,000 abusers zebo-the-fat 22 5870 July 29, 2015 at 5:03 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses Won2blv 288 49533 July 15, 2015 at 8:48 am
Last Post: Lemonvariable72
  Paul the Apostle, seems kind of a liar. Authentic letters of Paul Coreni 10 5169 June 26, 2015 at 4:03 am
Last Post: Coreni



Users browsing this thread: 6 Guest(s)