(May 12, 2017 at 9:21 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 10:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think as Neo said, there iis little indication of a second chance and more of a picture that there is not. And by nature grace, doesn't require a first opportunity, let alone a second.
Yes, that was what I meant. FWIW annihilationism is still on the table. Unbelievers could just die permanently after the White Throne judgement. I'm sure they'll whine about it not being fair then too even though it will be exactly what they already expected.
Guys, I get that the bible doesn't go into detail about how things will play out at the moment of death. But if Hell is the constant rejection of God, and Heaven is the constant acceptance of Him, doesn't that indicate that we still have the free will to choose once we die?
And for people who don't believe in God/Jesus simply because they were born into an indigenous tribe in the wilderness or something and have never heard of Him. When they die and see God for the first time, don't they then get the chance to either accept or reject? If those people get that chance, why wouldn't everyone else?
Again, this is my personal opinion, but the notion that unbelievers just die and go right to Hell (as though Hell is a physical place, which it isn't) sounds much too simplistic for such a great God. And Chad, I already know you said there are exceptions. But I don't see how that would work if there was no "last chance" at the moment of first encounter with God.
One last note on this post: What exactly did Jesus mean when He told us to judge not? It's pretty broad. I think He meant the ultimate judgement... the judgement on the state of someone's soul, considering we also believe only God can make it. Knowing that we are not to make these judgement, wouldn't we assume the best of people's souls?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh