(May 12, 2017 at 10:21 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:(May 12, 2017 at 5:57 am)Brian37 Wrote: No, I think most of why she lost WAS Trump's own Jerry Springer act, the gerrymandering has been going on forever, but I do think Trump's behavior for the past five years, even without a direct connection, Russia was no matter what, simply piling on the division he was creating.
I'm not talking about the gerrymandering, I'm talking about the systematic and highly illegal disenfranchisement of US citizens which started in time for to deliver Florida to Shrub in 2000 (with about 80,000 voters told that their opinion wasn't wanted) and which now has more than ten million US citizens turned into second class citizens with no voting rights. And all because, despite the evidence presented to them, the supreme court in 1999 decided that the Republitraitor party could now be trusted to not make voting while black a crime again in the south.
I didn't like the 2000 outcome anymore than 16 but I bet if it happened the other way and Gore won or Hillary won, you would not be saying that.
IT IS the gerrymandering, and that was going on since Reagan, one could argue even Nixon. How about instead of bitching fight back, don't sit out any local or state election, motivate everyone to speak out every day, and work to expand our maps, sue in the courts. Here in NC the GOP got bitch slapped for what the district court said was "surgical"
THE EC is there as a tool, a coin flip that can go either way. It has always been that way. The EC didn't cause the civil war either, and we have survived as a nation through that, and WW1 and WW2 and even Bush Jr.
I disagree AS A LIBERAL, where is your link that 80,000 FLAers were robbbed? You do understand that in a recount both parties pass the ballots to each other so it isn't overseen by one party. The only part I disagreed with was the GOP stopping it. There is no evidence at all that not stopping it would have changed the outcome.
As much as I hate TRUMP, Hillary did ignore those swing states and that cost her as much as Trump wrongfully slurred his way to the win.
Now I always ask this question, and I never get a good answer.
Ok, you hate the EC, fine, offer up a replacement because simply throwing it out solves nothing. In the west you cannot simply go with 1 person one vote. There has to be a check on the voters as well, otherwise it is simply mob rule by vote. Now I am not saying don't suggest a replacement, but what would it look like if you could replace it?
Even our Supreme Court in it's history have told the voters, DESPITE their vote, "No, you cant do that".
It cant simply be throw it out, you have to come up with a viable replacement that still protects minorities from mob rule by vote. What would you replace the EC with?
