RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 15, 2017 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2017 at 4:25 pm by Aroura.)
(May 15, 2017 at 4:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh I added one extra question to the post above!
I think I answered that in my follow up post?
"I would also like to point out that I AM 100% against punishment for punishments sake. The death penalty, etc, is flat out wrong. Rehab should be priority for people who harm others and/or themselves, and if rehab is not an option, humane ways of protecting the public should be employed (lock-up but not solitary, sunlight, activity, and decent food, etc). "
But if that isn't clear enough, I'll try and elaborate, and be more specific.
No, it is not justifiable to specifically lock someone up or put them in jail simply for breaking a law or even causing harm.
Civilized places already do the following:
Step 1. Attempt to correct the harmful behavior. The vast majority of misbehavior is actually made worse by simply locking a person away. Most minor to moderate misbehaviors can be corrected with time and effort. That's why we call it the "Corrections" system. The goal is to correct the behavior, first, and foremost, not to punish. Do you agree?
Step 2. If person is severely dangerous, they may need to be kept away from the public while being corrected. This would require some form of "locking-up", though it would vary per case. Some people could do well under house arrest, others may require being kept in special facilites. Serial violent offenders would fall into the later category.
Step 3. If a person cannot be corrected for whatever reason, you just keep them in step 2. You do your best to correct them while keeping them safely away from the pubic. This becomes permanent. Even the worst offenders should not be put in solitary confinement as a punishment (which can turn sane people insane). People should be periodically reviewed for their safely. Rational steps should be take between rehab and release.
I will field the follow-up question I suspect you are going to ask before you ask it.
The justification for locking a person up at all is pretty obvious to me and others who hold these same ideas. We aren't locking them up for chosing to be bad or "evil", we are locking them up to keep others, and often the person in question, safe.
Again, hope that helps answer your questions.
I have one for you. Very seriously, how do you think Jesus would propose we deal with nonviolent criminals? And with violent ones?
(May 15, 2017 at 4:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Nvm, just read your post and it already explained it lol.
Oh, then I went and overexplained it more, lol.
I did have that question at the end of my last post. If you have time.
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